You can believe all you want of what is canon or what is not canon in TES mythos but your living in a delusion if you decide that something is real just because you like it. Just because you believe it, canon is actually quantifiable and able to be judged. If the lore was whatever someone made it in their mind, then there is no lore because there is no point of reference. This is why lore belongs in the hands of the few, lore writers instead of the masses. Just because a lot of people believe something to be true doesn't make it so, it's the architects of said mythos that decides if something is true.

I think the whole teneur of the last few pages edges inescapably towards that thing wich I stated a few times before in varying ways.
Its the majority that decides whats science/canon/lore/mythology/theology.

What is a fact changes, and a viewpoint changes, but a definition does not. It just gets tweaked with more knowledge. (so.. a banana can also be red..)

In the end, it boils down to concensus.
Your viewpoint, while perfectly valid and interesting, is a viewpoint unsupported.
I have stated before, you may be right, and if you eventually prove to be I personally will prostate myself upon your carven image and exclaim: I am wrong and you are not.

In the meanwhile, if only for sake of not adding to the confusion, it would help if we all accepted the same fundamentals.
There really is nothing to gain from pointing at accepted lore and saying its not lore. Not unless you are von Daniken, or actually have some quantifiable proof.
For the sake of mediocracy we need to have some sort of common ground, from wich we then can deviate.
There is no point in deviating too early, lest one ends up questioning the colour of the sky.

We need to start not from personal knowledge or preference, as that is inherently biased, but rather from what we all know and is constant.
I think the monomyth is a good starting point.

Except the consensus in science is among a few, reputable scientists that are appointed. Canon is by the IP holder, e.g Bethesda in the case of TES. Mythology is decided by well....mythology. Theology is decided by a small group that is the authority such as the pope and the cardinals and the same goes for the other religions in their own authorities. None of those are the consensus of the masses, I'm sorry.

Indeed.
Exactly.
Inexorbitantly.

We are not the masses.
We are lore masters.

(For the parts of my post you ignored, Im sure you wondered. No, mediocracy is not the dull bland thing of the common tongue, its a fundamental principle of physics. The implications of wich, as has been pointed out before, is that a work of fiction is released) never finished. No. the "ip-owner' isnt be all and end all. We are.)

You seem to be thinking of "fanon", dude, which is when fans keep repeating stuff they made up until they think it's true.

On the contrary, thank you. I get to keep my faith that Skryim General isn't the abyss I perceive it as.

Except that we are the few... who happen to also be the majority. But as I said some ways back, its not the consensus of the masses one need worry about; because if the masses are saying something boring, then screw the masses. The same goes for the devs. The real question is whether it is beautiful, and by beautiful, I mean not lame. Hence why we say: Boring And Therefore Wrong. This is the test of canon.


But all that aside, allow me to be frank, and answer me this. What does your idea of canon do to improve your enjoyment of this series?

If you can answer this question then I don't even care if we disagree, I'll even bow out, because this is the only question that needs answering. If that thing you call canon allows you to better enjoy this world, then hold onto it with the claws of death. If you test it and find it doesn't, you know where to find us - I only promise that the ride will worth the loss of authority.

In the meantime, only know that just because you understand it to be canon, doesn't mean that you're standing on solid ground - if they're good enough they can make the 'official lore' say anything they want; comes with the territory.

*Looks at topic title*

Hey guys, back on topic please instead of derailing this into a discussion on canon. Perhaps start a topic in the lore forum it you really must.

What? Oh, yes, topics. I forget we have those pesky things, twas only a sideroad.


Since I haven't mentioned it yet, I'll agree that telekinesis was very underpowered in Oblivion. Worthless might be an appropriate term. Morrowind's was more useful, but only because the AI svcked and couldn't figure out that the guy standing behind the pole was the one causing all the stuff to vanish off their desk.

For a compromise I'm thinking something like Half-Life's gravity gun, except more versatile in terms of not just pulling and pushing.

Yes for Mark/Recall to return. Yes for Levitation too, since cities will be open this time (right?).

Then again, if they're not in, there will be mods for them...

Levitation can easily be done with closed cities as well. Just put a "no fly zone" within a hundred yards or so of each city.

Yeah, but I'd speculate the reason it wasn't in Oblivion was because people could've gone around the city (but then why not just slap the Tribunal 'no fly' script...). Or was it because they didn't want NPCs casting the spell. Hmm, I can only dream (or Google it).

ETA: Googled it. In a nutshell it's just the surrendered problem (I guess everyone knew that). Hopefully we'll have open cities!

That's what I meant, put that no fly script covering the area around the city. Not sure why it matters if they could've gone around the city, the only thing that would need stopping is them flying into the city.

NPCs didn't cast levitation anyway in Morrowind, but yes, I'd imagine putting in pathgrids for levitating NPCs would be hell.