If Markarth truly IS a Dwemer ruin... : V - Skyrim

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:50 am

well the dwemer are actually a race of "dwarves" in a fanasy sense so they might look like those faces on the front

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:05 am

well the dwemer are actually a race of "dwarves" in a fanasy sense so they might look like those faces on the front

http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/tdgtd_dwemer_image_01.jpg

the faces in the concept art have distinctly Nordic facial hair.

also - it's Markarth. it's probably the Dwemer ruin city Todd mentioned, yeah, but it's also home to the Imperial College of the Voice, which i highly doubt would be stuck in a refurnished silo-tower. i'm willing to bet that that's actually what's pictured, and the city proper is among the cliffs behind it.

also it's been quite a number of years since the Nords founded this settlement! it's very likely that they've just merged everything together, with maybe the actual Dwemer parts making up like SLUMS or whatever.

» Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:57 pm

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dwemer

actually they are dwarves who were originally from morrowind, but also in many other places including highrock and hammerfell.

dwarves are thought to be a close relative of the elves since their lifespan is much greater than humans.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:59 am

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dwemer

Before quitting this subject, we might as well address the oft-used misnomer for the Dwemer, the "Dwarves." There is nothing to suggest that the Dwemer were any less towering over humans than the early Aldmeri were; indeed, extant Dwarven goldmail more or less fits every human lucky enough to possess it. Imperial excavation of ancient and wondrous Dwarven machinery supports the Dlyxexic theory that the translation of Dwemer as "Deep Elves" might instead be read as "Smart Elves," despite the incongruity of that notion. Perhaps, then, the "brilliant students" of the titanic Ehlnofey mentioned in the Anuad are the Dwarves, and that their giant masters gave them this sobriquet.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-first-edition-hammerfell

The name "Dwarves" is used mostly by non-Elven races and has misguiding connotations. There have been rumors that the name "Dwarves" was given by the Giants that lived in Morrowind when the Dwemer first lived there. Thus (possibly) the confusion. A variation on the rumor suggests that the ancestors of Men and Mer, described as the "titantic" Ehlnofey (also known as the Earthbones), named the Dwemer. In this model, the name is actually a play on words, implying both shortness (relative to the "titanic" Ehlnofey), and intelligence.

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The most referenced possibility is that "Dwarf" is simply mistranslation of Dwemer, and that it's proper use is in the "Deep Folk" sense, but that Dwe was mistranslated by humans into "Short". Thus "Short Folk", or Dwarves.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/definitive-guide-dwemer#2 (the direct links to their sources are dead apparently but i didn't want to use UESP)

actually they are dwarves who were originally from morrowind, but also in many other places including highrock and hammerfell.

you're almost right on this one

dwarves are thought to be a close relative of the elves since their lifespan is much greater than humans.

uh

» Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:25 pm

The Dwemer of hammerfell have similar if not the same construction style that their Morrowind cousins have, you trying to tell me they all of a sudden change thier building style for a moment then went back to normal in Hammerfell? Im seeing to much inconsistencies, how close is Markarth to Morrowind? the Dwemer would have basically been building in enemy territory at the time, if these were....temporary installations thats all fine and well, otherwise dwemer being in Skyrim makes no sense thus far

gonna have to wait for the game to come out to see what it says,

I've seen some pictures of the Hammerfell Dwemer stuff and it doesn't look that similar. Why is Skyrim enemy territory? The Dwemer lived all over Northern Tamriel. It makes perfect sense for them to be in Skyrim.

EDIT: And The Dunmer had 4 totally different types of architecture just on Vvardenfel.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:24 am

The cogs on the design suggest it is Dwemer. We know at least one city is built on the foundations of a Dwemer ruin. So this is probably it.

In terms of style difference, that's just art direction. Why did Daedroth change from men with crocodile heads to entirely giant crocodiles between Morrowind and Oblivion? Not because you're seeing different styles of creature, but because you're playing a different game. The games would be phenomenally boring if the devs weren't allowed to recraft stuff to match their new vision of the world.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:34 am

When I say enemy territory im talking about how the Nords were at war with the Dwemer, so much so that the Dwemer and Chimer made a peace agreement to fight them back, the nords were that strong in fact such is retold in history and lore how strong the nords are taking pieces of morrowind, Highrock, Hammerfell. the Dwemer didnt rule the north.... so one can understand why Im wondering why their are any permanet structures if any at all by a group that DID NOT want to ally with the Chimer, to the extent they went 2 provinces away. Markarth is smack dab in the middle of skyrim, do you think a Dwemer city sitting their makes any sense?

My point? Nord Chimer/Dwemer War, how would they build anything in their time?

stubborn group doesnt want to ally with Chimer, how or even WHY would they build in Skyrim? especially when they are so close to hammerfell?

Most likely the Roruken(sp) built this City I can't say it was apart of hammerfell or Highrock because how much of either province the nords took wasn't -that- large.

Gonna have to wait out the year until the game comes out to know.

and the Dwemer aren't Dwarves.

» Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:31 pm

and the Dwemer aren't Dwarves.

I haven't read anything about this Dwemer/Nord war. Could you link me to this please?

But they are dwarves. They are called dwarves in lore many times and someone in the thread earlier posted why. And they clearly do take some influence from early Norse dwarves. Dwarf != short. That's a common misconception, as original dwarves are not the same as popular fantasy dwarves.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:47 am

Maybe nords have build over it?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:37 am

I have a funny feeling that the Falmer have been retconned into being Skyrim's Dwemer or something similar - which would mean that the Dwemer were in Skyrim quite a few years before the Nords showed up from Atmora.

» Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:53 pm

The only thing I can surmise is that the Roruken would have had to build some fortifications, "passingthrough" wouldn't work well when going through Skyrim, and I also surmise the even though Dwemer metal might not be what we are use to, because it conducts heat so well and his heat resistant, I doub't it would be very useful in such a cold Climate.

Anything to do with Resdayn You will find out about the Dwemer/Chimer Nord war.

heres one, even almalexia says something about it http://www.imperial-library.info/content/trueflame-blade

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:51 am

Its a dwemer ruin but its probably been abandonned a long time ago so Nords haves lived there for a while now. It's only normal that signs of dwemer occupations have faded trough time

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:04 am

while Dwemer were around long before the Nords came, the Nords were still around when the Dwemer were in Resdaynia. and that doesnt explain why the built so far west...

» Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:03 pm

it looks dwemer. there is an astrolabe...

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:26 am

Yes, but I still think it's a shame. That little dab of colour really makes it look nicer and adds to the feeling of age IMO.

Yeah I agree, if it's the mossy-thing you're talking about.

To have a mossy layer over some areas would be awesome

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:24 am

while Dwemer were around long before the Nords came, the Nords were still around when the Dwemer were in Resdaynia. and that doesnt explain why the built so far west...

there was a clan that moved from Morrowind to Hamerfell. There must be some country inbetween...

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:53 am

Where you get this concept art?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:25 am

If the Dwemer made cities of metal in Skyrim like they did in Morrowind then wouldnt the metal get really cold and make it a bad kind of house to live in? Maybe the Dwemer could see this and made the cities out of stone instead. MAYBE these ruins are from a time BEFORE the Dwemer were technologically advanced.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:54 am

Looks like dwemer ruins to me. I dont see anything nordic in the architecture at all.