Marriage, but no brothel?

Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:54 pm

I do not understand the appeal of brothels or six in videogames. How much more fun is it to even do that in a video game?
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Nathan Barker
 
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:01 am

^ EXACTLY! lol

For example, I was over at my sister's house one day and saw my 11 year old nephew playing Grand Theft Auto 3. I asked my sister, "You let him play that?" She replies, "Yeah, he knows not to let "those women" into his car." I say, "You sure?" She says, "Yeah, he just likes running them over on the sidewalk anyway."

:facepalm:


I think this mentality is why some people say marriage/six/prostitution/brothels have "no place in Skyrim".


Age of Conan is a perfect example. Gore, decapitation, and violence galore.

Nope, nobody got pissed off.

Female characters had some partial nudity?

I'm surprised the developers are still alive.
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Bones47
 
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:20 pm

i don't need a brothel to get all the ass.
but seriously, it would be inappropriate
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:57 pm

Exactly.

But the problem is that America today views the most natural, beautiful part of life as a corrupting, terrible thing that makes children raving sixual-deviants. So, mass violence, murder, use of alcohol, and gore won't piss anybody off. But add nudity or suggestive themes, and you get slapped with an M rating.


Very true. Nudity and sixuality aren't bad things, they're natural. If anything, the violence would be what "corrupts" kids. Not that I think violent video games actually do any harm.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:31 pm

The reason they don't allow such concepts as prostitution and brothels into their game is rather simple: to avoid controversy.
Marriage is of course a very common and acceptable practice around the globe. Lately, even six has been becoming less of a stigma to the media and, indeed, video games. Mass Effect is one of the primary examples of this, as well as the Witcher.
Prostitution, however, is a very looked down upon practice, still surrounded by a dark shroud of disapproval from an overwhelming portion of the population. It's a widely illegal activity with many risks, and not too far separated from the even more dubious portions of the 'underworld', being tied to drugs and other 'bad' practices.

While both marriage and prostitution involve six (usually, anyways) the overwhelming differences between the context of the intercourse is why, put bluntly, that games allow 'lovemaking' and marriage as opposed to paying for six and brothels.

Now, to continue, imagine a game selling the idea of someone's character becoming romantically involved and perhaps six becomes part of that, if only for realism and some other reasons.
Now, imagine a game selling prostitution and such. Imagine an elder scrolls game, part of a very popular series that doesn't particularly involve or focus itself around activities such as drugs or six (though there are bits here and there, such as skooma, moonsugar and alcohol).

It's hard, isn't it? The point is, there is a huge difference between marriage and six and prostitution and six.

Also, while I understand that some would point out that murder is generally seen as worse than prostitution in legal terms, I would like to remind you that there is a (disturbing?) tendency for the media to care more about the idea of sixual content in a game as opposed to violence and bloodshed, and this has carried over to what people are allowed to sell to consumers and expect to make a reasonable profit without needless drama.

Anyways, thanks for reading. Just thought I'd put out some personal insight of mine to help the conversations.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:20 pm

Mods are on it. Hehe. Dedicated people.
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Nikki Morse
 
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:54 pm

Oh, don't you worry OP, it'll be one of the first mods out ;)
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:08 pm

The reason they don't allow such concepts as prostitution and brothels into their game is rather simple: to avoid controversy.
Marriage is of course a very common and acceptable practice around the globe. Lately, even six has been becoming less of a stigma to the media and, indeed, video games. Mass Effect is one of the primary examples of this, as well as the Witcher.
Prostitution, however, is a very looked down upon practice, still surrounded by a dark shroud of disapproval from an overwhelming portion of the population. It's a widely illegal activity with many risks, and not too far separated from the even more dubious portions of the 'underworld', being tied to drugs and other 'bad' practices.

While both marriage and prostitution involve six (usually, anyways) the overwhelming differences between the context of the intercourse is why, put bluntly, that games allow 'lovemaking' and marriage as opposed to paying for six and brothels.

Now, to continue, imagine a game selling the idea of someone's character becoming romantically involved and perhaps six becomes part of that, if only for realism and some other reasons.
Now, imagine a game selling prostitution and such. Imagine an elder scrolls game, part of a very popular series that doesn't particularly involve or focus itself around activities such as drugs or six (though there are bits here and there, such as skooma, moonsugar and alcohol).

It's hard, isn't it? The point is, there is a huge difference between marriage and six and prostitution and six.

Also, while I understand that some would point out that murder is generally seen as worse than prostitution in legal terms, I would like to remind you that there is a (disturbing?) tendency for the media to care more about the idea of sixual content in a game as opposed to violence and bloodshed, and this has carried over to what people are allowed to sell to consumers and expect to make a reasonable profit without needless drama.

Anyways, thanks for reading. Just thought I'd put out some personal insight of mine to help the conversations.

I understand what you're saying, but take Dragon Age: Origins as an example. It contained an "interactive" brothel for both men and women, and the game was still hugely popular. I'm sure there was some controversy somewhere, but I never saw any regarding their inclusion of "The Pearl". What's funnier is that a massive percentage of people who absolutely adore that game are women. So, I really don't think prostitution and/or brothels are as big an issue as you would like to think. Not that I'm saying prostitution isn't a controversial issue, but I don't see the inclusion of a brothel in Skyrim as being something that deters people from buying it.


I do not understand the appeal of brothels or six in videogames. How much more fun is it to even do that in a video game?

How much better is it to have six in movies or books? There's really no difference. It's all entertainment. Some people, for whatever reasons, would be happy never seeing six in any form of entertainment. And others, for whatever reasons, find it more gratifying. For me, it's a natural inclusion to a "role playing" game as six and/or love is typically the most important thing in people's lives. And a setting like Skyrim's that didn't include at least one brothel seems unrealistic to me. These types of establishments are just as normal as taverns in cities throughout history.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:01 pm

a massive percentage of people who absolutely adore that game are women.


One word:

Alistair.

He's sixy.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:46 pm

only if we see the implementation of crack, STD's and pimps


way to stereotype bro
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:03 am

One word:

Alistair.

He's sixy.

Bann Teagan was my man...but sadly he was not romanceable....until mods! :drool:
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:28 am

Am I the only one that finds the idea of a brothel more appealing than marriage? Perhaps its the fact that I've been married, or the idea that in a game there arent any real consequences, but I'd rather not be monogamous...


What I find amazing is that there are scripted executions by beheadin but no brothels. Everytime I am sure things couldn't be more backwards. . . someone or something proves me wrong. To your point, I think both marraige and brothels would make sense in the game, considering the depth of plausible immersion they seem to be aiming for.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:02 pm

inbefore the lock

regardless this is a pg 13 boared and brotherls are M rated topic


Once again, why is the official forum of an M game PG 13?

There were naked prosttutes in Arena and Daggerfall. Disrobed women dancing in a club where you could buy drugs in Morrowind.

So glad we have spouses who cook us meals, rather than those morally objectionable topics. HEY maybe in the next game we can have our mommy's do that, so we don't have to be married to girls, who are gross.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:15 pm

Once again, why is the official forum of an M game PG 13?

There were naked prosttutes in Arena and Daggerfall. Disrobed women dancing in a club where you could buy drugs in Morrowind.

So glad we have spouses who cook us meals, rather than those morally objectionable topics. HEY maybe in the next game we can have our mommy's do that, so we don't have to be married to girls, who are gross.

lmao...best post of the thread award :trophy:


I'm seriously going to need a brothel if my Skyrim husband will only cook for me and not give it up in the bedroom. :mellow:
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:37 pm

Once again, why is the official forum of an M game PG 13?

There were naked prosttutes in Arena and Daggerfall. Disrobed women dancing in a club where you could buy drugs in Morrowind.

So glad we have spouses who cook us meals, rather than those morally objectionable topics. HEY maybe in the next game we can have our mommy's do that, so we don't have to be married to girls, who are gross.

I would think this discussion IS PG-13. Paint your Wagon is rated PG-13 and has quite blatant references to brothels, including
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a scene where one comes crashing down and a guy and lady are quite heavily implied to be up to what goes on in brothels, as they are (meant to be humorously and not explicitly) exposed.


If a G rated film can get away with implied physical intimacy, a brothel certainly doesn't suddenly become R/M.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:08 am

For example, I was over at my sister's house one day and saw my 11 year old nephew playing Grand Theft Auto 3. I asked my sister, "You let him play that?" She replies, "Yeah, he knows not to let "those women" into his car." I say, "You sure?" She says, "Yeah, he just likes running them over on the sidewalk anyway."



ROFLMAO! Well, who doesn't?

I don't see an issue. I'd use it (in-game natch) out of curiosity, but really, meh.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:34 am

As long as there are male prosttutes as well as females prosttutes, I'm all for it.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:26 am

Remember Hot Coffee? The Games industry does.


The issue with Hot Coffee was much ado about cut/hidden six content in the game that became publicly (and without the consent of the publishers, mind you) available after the ESRB had already reviewed and rated the game, and the game had already been released. The ESRB panel did not know of the Hot Coffee content when it originally rated the game, hence the controversy. GTA still had/has prostitution and prostitution six in it, and that still gets it an M rating. Mass Effect has six, Dragon Age had six. The issue wasn't over the six itself (although Hot Coffee was relatively graphic in its depiction). Even Fallout 3 had implied (prostitution-based) six.

Personally, I'm not a big video game six guy, but any extra options available to help express and roleplay your character is always a plus for me. I'd rather have the option to be a womanizing/manizing adventurer than not.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:34 am

didn't dragon age 2 have a brothel ? so it can be implemented in this game if that have chosen to. the game in Australia is rated MA so legally they can have obe
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:55 pm

Of course you just can't have one without the other...

Love and marriage, love and marriage... they go together like a horse and carriage. This I tell ya, brother... you can't have one without the other.



Did I win? :P
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:54 am

Bethesda isnt ready for backstabbing spouses yet.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:55 pm

Love and marriage, love and marriage... they go together like a horse and carriage. This I tell ya, brother... you can't have one without the other.



Did I win? :P


Lmfao. "Married with Children", that show was hilarious.

I find it kind of funny that Bethesda even included Marriage in a game like Skyrim. If you take a look at what "Marriage" really is in RL, you'd realize that it's nothing more than a contract between you and the state, that means if something goes wrong in the relationship for whatever means, you have to go through a [censored] storm to get out of it. Whereareas if you weren't married, and something went wrong in the relationship, like your partner cheated or something, or you just lost respect for each other, you can simply just say "It's over" and walk away from it. It's not like when you get married, that you suddenly love the person more, it doesn't really change anything in the intimacy of the relationship. You can love someone deeply and be with them for the rest of your life, but never "officially" marry, or you can be married to someone you can't stand. In today's society, women are trained from birth to believe that marriage is some kind of ultimate moment in there life, and that they'll live "happily ever after" when they get married. They feel that unless men put a ring on their finger, that the relationship isn't official, or real.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:02 pm

I'm sure there'll be something like that.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:08 am

Bring back the House of Earthly Delights! ^^
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:03 am

Who cares about Dragon Age 2? I'm still trying to make myself believe that game never existed, since it was just milking the first game.

Anyway, I would love to run around slaying dragons while treating my STDs. :3
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