Marriage, but no brothel?

Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:13 pm

Remember Hot Coffee? The Games industry does.

Seems like a waste of effort for the Devs. It adds very little to the game: what would be the benefits - or penalties - for going to one? What does it add to the game to give your character the clap? For a cheap thrill and "Wow, you can do that?" moment, the title would have to run the gauntlet of content laws and regulations and probably add another ratings point in half the countries it's sold in. It could end up on news items and generate bad publicity and they'd lose sales to the teenage market whose parents won't pay for such entertainment. More trouble than it's worth IMO.


This.

We have had a number of similar threads re brothels and prostitution. And really, I have come to the conclusion that for those of you who are really, really, keen on the brothel idea, why don't you go and visit one in real life? Then you'll find it's actually quite mundane, and very non-erotic, because it's pure cash transaction. My opinion comes from doing voluntary work on HIV prevention and safe six with street and brothel six workers. Actually, maybe those of you who find six work to be so fascinating should do some volunteer work instead.
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One Word: MODDING!!!
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:08 pm

This.

We have had a number of similar threads re brothels and prostitution. And really, I have come to the conclusion that for those of you who are really, really, keen on the brothel idea, why don't you go and visit one in real life? Then you'll find it's actually quite mundane, and very non-erotic, because it's pure cash transaction. My opinion comes from doing voluntary work on HIV prevention and safe six with street and brothel six workers. Actually, maybe those of you who find six work to be so fascinating should do some volunteer work instead.

We're not talking about what's considered desirable or "PC" by today's standards. We're talking about something that's 1) a part of history, 2) something that is/was commonplace for medieval-type towns & cities to have, 3) a common profession for women of that period/setting to have, and 4) a common setting in a number of books, television and films--Littlefinger's brothel in Game of Thrones as an example.

By your logic, all of us TES gamers should also go vist with families of murder victims since we not only seem to not have a problem with murder but in fact glamorize it in some ways. I get the point you're trying to make, but insinuating that anyone who agrees with brothels being in a medieval based fantasy game has some sort of moral deficiency or lack of understanding of what goes on in the real world, is a bit off in my opinion.


In today's society, SOME women are trained from birth to believe that marriage is some kind of ultimate moment in there life, and that they'll live "happily ever after" when they get married. They feel that unless men put a ring on their finger, that the relationship isn't official, or real.

Just made a correction for you there. I couldn't care less if my relationship was "official" according to a piece of paper. :wink_smile:
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:00 pm

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkame712HZ1qic107o1_500.jpg...go play it.


reaver ftw
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:01 pm

Please keep this discussion forum-friendly, folks.

:stare:

Prostitution as a concept is very much part of Elder Scrolls lore and has been referenced in some fashion in every game in the series. Whether or not there's some Fallout 3-style fade-to-black moment in Skyrim, I would be fairly sure the existence of "pleasurable company" would be at least talked about in the game, which should be enough to satisfy the "realism" fans.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:19 pm

Not only would a brothel be realistic, it could also be tied to certain quests. What better place to get inside information about a thieves's guild or dark Brotherhood's quest than your local brothel?
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:20 pm

Why do I get the feeling that people are getting the impression that whats being asked for a is a graphic representation of the actual experience that the PC had during the brothel? I would have thought it would be quite clear to everyone that all that we're going to get is a fade to black scenario, possibly with a few faint noises (ala NV). Which is hardly going to cause controversy, but anyway.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:33 am

It's a widely illegal activity with many risks, and not too far separated from the even more dubious portions of the 'underworld', being tied to drugs and other 'bad' practices.


It's not illegal where I live.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:51 am

If you are already married why would you want to do it again in the game (or again period) :P
Imagine playing the game and your wife comes in.
"Hi honey, I want you to meet my in-game wife. Isn't she pretty? No more than you of course."
"Sure baby, good luck having six with that tonight..on the couch.."
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:41 pm

I don't see why there's such a backlash against including prostitution. It's not controversial...or can't be anymore than the game letting you marry the same-six, and we all know how much of a [censored]storm that's going to unleash in some circles. "Dem games maken our keds six-deviants" and all that, touching nothing on the decapitations, stabbing, political corruption, or war that's going smother the game like a wet towel. It's the world's oldest profession, and it's lore. Almost every tavern in the middle ages had some soiled doves here and there be it an official brothel or not. Remember the mission in the Flowing Bowl in Oblivion, or how the Courtesans in Assassin's Creed were your eyes and ears? That wasn't uncommon. Neither the thievery that followed for that matter. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised that the Thieves Guild and the Courtesans guild were one and the same.

It fits the setting and the story. You want some dirt on a local man? Talk to his call girl or male escort. Want to assassinate or steal someone? Convince his consort to do so. Need a place to meet for "not-so-legal" business? The [censored]house is your cloister. There's a reason why a simple concubine in China became the Empress Wu Zetien. prosttutes literally sleep with power all the time, and they've always had a toe in politics. Aside from development time and all that technical...stuff, I can't see why brothels can't be in the game.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:04 pm

Not only would a brothel be realistic, it could also be tied to certain quests. What better place to get inside information about a thieves's guild or dark Brotherhood's quest than your local brothel?


I agree.
I wish there had been more quests relating to http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Desele%27s_House_of_Earthly_Delights in Morrowind.
Would have gone well with the thieves guild.

And lets not forget about Mara.

So those that say it doesnt fit TES, balderdash.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:31 pm

It's not illegal where I live.
Nor where I live, they're called "Escort angencies"
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:46 pm

Not only would a brothel be realistic, it could also be tied to certain quests. What better place to get inside information about a thieves's guild or dark Brotherhood's quest than your local brothel?

Assassin's Creed-esque
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:27 pm

Okay, I see where you're going with this now. However, your original argument that hunting/gathering was a "profession" is still wrong. Reward and profession are two different concepts as you cannot call hunting a deer to feed yourself a profession. And trading your deer meat one time for six with a prosttute, also does not make it a profession. However hunting deer all day and selling/trading the meat could be considered a profession. You see the distinction?

However, as Neko_Kineko said, "Prostitution is the world's oldest profession" is just a saying. I doubt anyone knows what the first real profession was.



And by that logic taverns are a waste of space because some parents think their 13 year olds don't know what getting drunk is? People are going to complain about anything, so why call something a "waste of space" just because someone might complain?

Because the slightest sixual innuendo or "skin" of an NPC showing has always ruffled more feathers than violence and alcohol references?
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:26 pm

Because the slightest sixual innuendo or "skin" of an NPC showing has always ruffled more feathers than violence and alcohol references?


And people should bow to pressure by repressed and half-evolved maroons why exactly?
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:59 am

I find your lack of brothel disturbing.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:38 pm

inbefore the lock


regardless this is a pg 13 boared and brotherls are M rated topic


funny seeing as the game is M rated.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:03 am

Oh god... If you don't have any interest in one, then you just don't have to participate in it. What's the big deal with people saying "that shouldn't Be in the game because I find it offensive! Or I don't like it!". Who cares what you think. There's no reason why anything can't be included in the game. People that aren't interested just don't have to participate! Simple! If you don't like what you're watching, change the channel!
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:06 pm

Morrowind had strip clubs, so why no brothels in Skyrim???

The game is rated mature 17+, theres nothing more inappropriate about brothels in a video game than marriage.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:13 pm

^THISI think a distinction could be made for the inclusion of a brothel in which our characters could partake in what's being offered "for sale", and simply a brothel that's more of a place like any other tavern, store, etc. I could very easily see a quest involving "going to speak with Bob, he usually can be found hanging out in the brothel". Then you walk in and Bob's sitting at a table with a busty wench on his lap with others drifting about the room, scantily clad, giggling and chatting up other men.Although I can see why others would be against it, I think it's silly to say there's "no point to it". Is there a point to taverns? Guzzling mead? No, but it's part of someone's roleplaying experience. As others have said, prostitution is the world's oldest profession, and brothels are establishments that have been around for centuries. It is absolutely fitting that they be found in Skyrim.



That's survival...not something humans did for money like prostitution.



Okay, I see where you're going with this now. However, your original argument that hunting/gathering was a "profession" is still wrong. Reward and profession are two different concepts as you cannot call hunting a deer to feed yourself a profession. And trading your deer meat one time for six with a prosttute, also does not make it a profession. However hunting deer all day and selling/trading the meat could be considered a profession. You see the distinction? However, as Neko_Kineko said, "Prostitution is the world's oldest profession" is just a saying. I doubt anyone knows what the first real profession was. And by that logic taverns are a waste of space because some parents think their 13 year olds don't know what getting drunk is? People are going to complain about anything, so why call something a "waste of space" just because someone might complain?



^ EXACTLY! lolFor example, I was over at my sister's house one day and saw my 11 year old nephew playing Grand Theft Auto 3. I asked my sister, "You let him play that?" She replies, "Yeah, he knows not to let "those women" into his car." I say, "You sure?" She says, "Yeah, he just likes running them over on the sidewalk anyway." :facepalm:I think this mentality is why some people say marriage/six/prostitution/brothels have "no place in Skyrim".



I understand what you're saying, but take Dragon Age: Origins as an example. It contained an "interactive" brothel for both men and women, and the game was still hugely popular. I'm sure there was some controversy somewhere, but I never saw any regarding their inclusion of "The Pearl". What's funnier is that a massive percentage of people who absolutely adore that game are women. So, I really don't think prostitution and/or brothels are as big an issue as you would like to think. Not that I'm saying prostitution isn't a controversial issue, but I don't see the inclusion of a brothel in Skyrim as being something that deters people from buying it. How much better is it to have six in movies or books? There's really no difference. It's all entertainment. Some people, for whatever reasons, would be happy never seeing six in any form of entertainment. And others, for whatever reasons, find it more gratifying. For me, it's a natural inclusion to a "role playing" game as six and/or love is typically the most important thing in people's lives. And a setting like Skyrim's that didn't include at least one brothel seems unrealistic to me. These types of establishments are just as normal as taverns in cities throughout history.



lmao...best post of the thread award :trophy: I'm seriously going to need a brothel if my Skyrim husband will only cook for me and not give it up in the bedroom. :mellow:



We're not talking about what's considered desirable or "PC" by today's standards. We're talking about something that's 1) a part of history, 2) something that is/was commonplace for medieval-type towns & cities to have, 3) a common profession for women of that period/setting to have, and 4) a common setting in a number of books, television and films--Littlefinger's brothel in Game of Thrones as an example. By your logic, all of us TES gamers should also go vist with families of murder victims since we not only seem to not have a problem with murder but in fact glamorize it in some ways. I get the point you're trying to make, but insinuating that anyone who agrees with brothels being in a medieval based fantasy game has some sort of moral deficiency or lack of understanding of what goes on in the real world, is a bit off in my opinion.Just made a correction for you there. I couldn't care less if my relationship was "official" according to a piece of paper. :wink_smile:


All of this^

I do not understand the appeal of brothels or six in videogames. How much more fun is it to even do that in a video game?

Not this.

Reading through the thread, I started tagging all the posts to respond to. I went back and remarked these instead. It was easier.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:49 pm

A brothel thats only selling Kajiit and Argonians. :liplick:

LOL! That would be twisted.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:55 am

Brothels are overrated. Look at Witcher 2.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:13 pm

inbefore the lock


regardless this is a pg 13 boared and brotherls are M rated topic


Violence and Gore is also M rated, yet those topics don't get locked.
So I doubt that's the reason why it gets locked.
Most of the times these topics steer of the main discussion, turning into a "gross, six in video games is gross!" discussion instead.
As long as that wont happen, this topic will be fine.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:20 am

Let's look at the ESRB rating itself... It's currently rated Mature or M for... Blood and Gore... Intense Violence... sixual Themes... Use of Alcohol. The one thing that suggests a brothel or two might be in the game is "sixual themes." A theme, of course, is a fair bit more than mere references. The ESRB rating label is subject to change as the game becomes more publicized, too... I'm quite sure not even the ratings guys are unaware of the game's entire content at this time.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:21 pm

marriage is basically the same thing as a brothel. you still have to pay for it in one way or another, the only difference is that you dont get the selection. :)
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