Nope, due to the technique for raised ghouls 'replace' the original without destroying the spawn reference, increased spawns is required.



Dang, it should do. Will check that, thanks. Will get Zenl onto it if it's not working.


Good to hear!



Ok will check on the loot. For the ghouls I tested raising extensively. Anyone else not seeing ghouls raise?

BTW a definition -- you won't 'see' them raise in front of you, they'll only do it after a randomised short period (less than a minute), if you're at least a short distance away, and you're not looking. Again due to resurrection issues in Fallout 3 compared to Oblivion, enemies can't be 'raised' without falling through the floor mesh, hence 'new' ones are spawned in place of the 'old' to emulate a raised creature -- and for MMMF3 I use a system to determine what the original was and use an identical replacement (right down to which limb is missing).

Just a note on your load order -- ACE is a buggy mod, don't recommend using it. And load MMMF3 last, no exceptions. Not sure without looking, but ACE or Burnification (which also had some bug reports) may conflict with MMMF3 scripts (doing things like raising).



Wait for an MMMF3 FWE + Primary Needs update from Mez in the FOIP packages.



Gah. This bug (no pun intended) just won't go away. Firstly -- I've never been able to duplicate it, I can always hit the ants. Secondly, in RC1 I removed practically all MMMF3 functionality from them, to ensure we weren't getting any weird bugs like the unkillable Raider bug (which was a function of the vanilla placement records for the given Raiders, not an issue with MMMF3 per se). The next step is not touch them at all and leave them completely vanilla, which would kinda svck (no size scaling, stats, loot based on size, corpse flies, and wounding when it's done).

I'll take another look, but it may be an unfixable bug. Out of interest, anyone else have problems hitting the ants in the school, with new or old character saves?



Nope, haven't installed it!

For oblivion you actuall had the same creature(zombies) ressurected didn't you? That was some freaky stuff!

Edit: Do you plan to release something similar to your "natural wildlife" module for oblivion where not everything has a grudge against the player?

great... I did not want increased spawns because I dont play too hardcoe (whatever weapons my character finds, no downloaded companions). But I want ghouls that come back to life! Time to get me a personal assistant and some more ammo.

Like Mart mentioned earlier you can reduce the spawn increase to 1 and that'll do.

Fine update but i have one question: what's the FOV you're using on those screenshots Mart? Because when i use more than 95.2000 for a 16:10 resolution (1280x800) it bugs up optic sight's on weapons

So, theoretically, a mod that makes enemies keep fighting even after getting dismembered could be possible? Or well, not as much fighting as trying to keep themselves up

So if I set the increased spawns Min and Max both to 1, I can keep the number of enemies close to vanilla but still have the ghoul raise ability, correct?, and can I do this just in the GECK or does it have to be in FO3Edit?

good call Martigen. I will strip out the two mods. Any recommendation on an injury mod that works while we wait for your wounding effects

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Hey Martin,the sound's folder is labeled sounds,it wasn't meant to be sound?

He mentioned it somewhere that he's aware of the mistype and will fix it on the next release. In the meantime, just extract that folder to your "sound" folder or if you don't already have one, simply rename it back to "sound" when it's extracted.

Ok so just a follow up on some previous posts:



Tested in game again, dismemberment is working fine for them. I wonder if it's related to Bloody Mess, or another mod? Note there's no complete gibbed to bits dismemberment for the Wanamingos, but their arms and legs can be dismembered.


Just ran through some tunnels now, raising most definitely works *still shaking from getting surprised*

You're right about the loot -- it's set at 2x with a 33% chance of none of each, I've restored this to 1x for the next release (specially with increased spawns, it's not like you need it).


And onto new replies:


Not at the moment, would require Pitt etc. May do a module later, but time is short for modding atm.



The Natural Selection factions plugin already does that, but not to the same degree.



I've got a 27" widescreen monitor (so screenshots are taken in 1920x1200, then I resize them to 1600x1000 to save space). May have tweaked the FOV a while back but can't remember



Yeah That's why there's no 'legless' variants, because there are no anims for 'dragging self along floor'. But I did go as far as to make variants with both arms missing. Feral Ghouls that are completely armless will run from you because, lets face it, they can't harm you and they know it



Yes and Yes. But note the requirement for Increased Spawns isn't like a toggle which enables raising, it's a function that the raising will only occur with spawns created by Increased Spawns. So if you reduce the Increased Spawns max you'll get raising, but not very often because not many Increased Spawns placed Feral Ghouls are appearing. Make sense?



Yes, this should be 'Sound'. This was covered back on page 1 of this thread.


Finally -- can I get some feedback on the new features? How is raising working out for you? The new Gargantuan model and attacks? The Behemoth and Matriarch knockback? The Night Ghoul Eyes? Fireflies? etc. Tell me stories too, it's why I do this you know? (specially when I don't have any time to play atm :/)

Can someone help me.
Is there an another link to download this mod, I really enjoy it, and would to love to download it but my internet seems to cut out and start up again, there are some sites that allow you to download if you still have the ".part" file is this mod on any other site I can try?

That was indeed a nasty surprise, being cornered on the Burnmaster tunnel with nothing else left to deal them with, with increased spawns and feral ghoul rampage, ghouls rising everywhere.. :cold:

Lesson learned, now i shoot their heads off after looting them :goodjob:

Just an update to my previous reply to this (see above) -- been a while since I wrote the Increasd Spawns equations and I forgot (!): the lowest you can set the Max to is 2, setting it to 1 is the same as 0 as far as the equations are concerned and will disable it.

So try 2 first. If this is too many extra spawns on average, you can reduce the chance further by setting a value between 1 and 2, like 1.5. However when editing the Max value in the GECK or FO3Edit you'll need to change the variable type from 'Short' to 'Float', otherwise it won't stick (and will get rounded to the nearst whole number -- either 1 (which will disable Increased Spawns) or 2 (the same as just setting 2)).



Good to hear

I installed this last night, and haven't run into any ghouls yet, but my level three character has had a few wanamingo run-ins out in the wastes. Those things are downright terrifying! They come at you fast and hit hard, and I'm almost as afraid of them as I am of yao guai. I came across one super mutant encampment that had a floater, but I didn't have to fight it much because I managed to blow up a nearby pickup truck and took most of them out. Also, the geckos are pretty cute!

MMM for Oblivion was an absolute must have for me, and it seems you have done it again for Fallout 3 . This mod makes the wasteland feel much more alive and dangerous


Since this mod is on the large side, FOMM appears to lock up while it is being installed. I have created an installation script to fix this that does the following:

• Checks for archive invalidation being activated and if it isn't, warns the user and allows him/her to abort the install and activate it before anything is installed
  
• Shows a dialog that allows you to select a single Increased Spawns plugin if you wish, as well as any combination of the optional plugins you want
  
• Displays a progress dialog as the mod is being installed
  
• Allows the user to cancel installation at any point

I still have to work on cleaning up files that may have been installed if the user decides to cancel during the actual install process, but I should be able to finish that tonight after I get home from work. Would you be interested in this script so that you could add it to official releases?

Question: Just how does the "raised ghoul" effect look.
I may have seen it already, but not noticed it...

I took my new char mole rat hunting behind Megaton and ended up with 15-20 dead ghoul variants.
They look good.

Do raised ghouls just kind of fade into existence, like it appears when you resurrect any critter via console, or is there some special visual effect?



Ack.. your fast. lol.

My apologies, the word 'dismemberment' was the wrong choice. Sorry to waste your time on that.
It was the "gibbed to bits" effect I was referring to.

For the amount of "gib" left vs how pristine the Wanamingo corpse looked after the attack, that is what I was commenting on.
I got a kick out of that pic I posted because of the flying eyeball gib parts.
Though I don't know F3 Cannon well, I didn't think Wanamingos had eye balls.

Again, incredible work and thanks for the Do you do so well.

Awesome mod. Thanks for all your hard work on Fallout and Oblivion Martigen.


Something I would really like to see is respawning ammo boxes and container contents to go along with the optional respawning cell mod included with MMM. It would be nice if it was FOOK and MMM compatible.

Some one created a mod just like this except its not FOOK or MMM compatible.

Was starting just doing the superduper mart and the protectron no longer attacks the raiders, even after you present the id. And the raiders do not attack the protectron. I think that Marts is the only mod that I am running that effects factions.

Great mod. Thanks

I can't wait to see what other wonderful freaks of radiation come out in the next release! Is it possible to create aquatic creatures? I know mirelurks are amphibious, but what about strict water bound creatures? Or maybe the giant leeches or mutant alligators from Van buren.... :liplick:

Also, Zenl is considering creating a couple of creatures I requested: A werewolf-esque creature (think a cross between vicious dog and mirelurk-evolution!) and hairy deathclaws from Fallout Tactics.

Keep in mind that Zenl Has not promised/done anything, but I'm Giving permission to use it in a future update, should the creatures be completed, and should you be interested.

Awesome mod, I just have one comment about the extra ghoul rampage plugin.

I think a weaker ghoul version of this mod would be great. I love fighting 50 ghouls, but every time I do it I am totally out of ammo by the end. Each Ghoul is just as strong as a regular ghoul, making for a very tedious battle. I imagine tweaking it would make it closer to a Left4Dead zombie experience, wave upon wave of weak zombies. They challenge you in numbers, not in individual strength, which is always a fun gameplay mechanic.

Just a thought. I imagine I could just mod it in myself but I figure others may find it a fun idea.

http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2519 is compatible with MMM as far as I can tell.

Thank you Martigen for all your fine work. This new release seems stable and polished enough for me to start a new game but I tried to download the file from Nexus for several days and the download always reset around 30 to 50% (argh !).

Is it possible for you Martigen to upload your mod to a mirror site for us people with poor internet connection ? That will be really appreciated.

Well... what about "Come back here! I'll bite your head off!"?

Love the new additions Mart (and everyone else), wonderful job.

So what's new compared to 4th Beta?

I saw the gargantuan screenshot in EvergMills kicking raider ass. In my game, gargantuan is a good friend of the raiders and won't even touch them. What gives?