What does that have to do with this mod?

Hey Martigen.

I just upgraded to RC4 earlier tonight, and have run in to an issue....

It seems I'm getting mega-spawns all over the place. It's usually mole rats, vicious dogs, and protectron robots. They spawn in massive clumps, sometimes 10 or so of each at a time.

The laser fire from a distance is spectacular, almost as good as a Pink Floyd concert light show.

I snapped http://www.fallout3nexus.com/imageshare/images/170821-1247462684.jpg of one of the aftermaths...
The body count consisted of 3 Deathclaw Youngs, about 10-15 mole rats, 10 or so vicious dogs, 5 or so Rad Scorpions, 3 robo-brains, at least 10 protectrons, and several ash piles. I didn't even try counting how many Night Ghouls I picked off as I approached the site (at least 10... I'm sure).

Here's my Load Order:

[X] Fallout3.esm[X] FakePatch_v1.5.0.22c.ESM[X] CALIBR.esm[X] CRAFT.esm[X] FOOK.esm[X] Mart's Mutant Mod.esm[X] Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esp[X] DarNifiedUIF3.esp[X] DUIF3Extras.esp[X] CRAFT - Activation Perk.esp[X] CALIBR Ammo Schematics - CRAFT.esp[X] Dogmeat Leather Armor - CRAFT.esp[X] VATSFixOff.esp[X] Centered 3P Cam.esp[X] Auto Aim Fix v1.1.esp[X] Piplight - White.esp[X] Piplight - +200%.esp[X] StripClub.esp[X] SmokingMod.esp[X] FOOK.esp[X] FOOK - Free Play After MQ.esp[X] FOOK - Strength Requirements for Miniguns, Gatlings, 20mm Flak.esp[X] FOOK - Additional Power Armor Training.esp[X] WeaponModKits.esp[X] WeaponModKits - FOOK.esp[X] WMKAA12Shotgun - FOOK.esp[X] Ssenkrad's[FOOK]Tweaks.esp[X] Ssenkrad's[WMKTRG - FOOK]Tweaks.esp[X] Ssenkrad's[WMKAA12 - FOOK]Tweaks.esp[X] XFO_Cripple_fixes.esp[X] XFO_Radiation_changes.esp[X] XFO_Speed_increase.esp[X] XFO_Weapon_Jamming.esp[X] XFO_Stat_changes.esp[X] XFO_Timescale_med.esp[X] XFO_barter_fix_harder.esp[X] XFO_Pacing_high_(slowest).esp[X] XFO_Perk_rebalance.esp[X] XFO_rarity_ammo_high.esp[X] XFO_rarity_drugs_high.esp[X] XFO_Sneak_Rebalance_mild.esp[X] XFO_VATSdmg_50.esp[X] XFO_Degradation_fixes.esp[X] XFO_Power_Armor_Revamp.esp[X] XFO_Karma_changes.esp[X] XFO_Gore_fixes.esp[X] XFO_misc_tweaks.esp[X] XFO_SP_Fix2_(SP10_TAGx2_INTxHalf).esp[X] XFO_Weapskill_accuracy_notdmg_med.esp[X] XFO_Weapon_rebalance.esp[X] Ssenkrad's[XFO_Rarity_Ammo]Tweaks.esp[X] Ssenkrad's[XFO_Perk_Rebalance]Tweaks.esp[X] Ssenkrad's[FOOK+XFO]Tweaks.esp[X] Mart's Mutant Mod.esp[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - No Floaters.esp[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - No Corpse Flies.esp[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - No Ghoul Raise.esp[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - No Wanamingos.esp[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - No Skeleton Decay.esp[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - XFO + FOOK.esp[X] SimpleNeeds.esp[X] Ssenkrad'sSecretStash.esp[X] MaintenanceShed.esp[X] Ssenkrad'sMegatonHouse.esp[X] Ssenkrad's[Fallout3]Tweaks.esp[X] MergedPatch.esp

Notice, I'm using a mod that makes ammo and meds very rare, so I do most of my traveling at night in sneak mode, snipeing profitable targets from a distance with a silenced .308 rifle.

I followed the upgrade instructions from the first post to the letter, and I'm not using the increased spawn plugins...

I do appreciate the amount of scrap metal, microfussion batteries, and energy cells I collect at such spawn points, but would like to fix this if possible. Any ideas?

I get spawns similar to what you describe as well, sometimes causes a bit of lag, but your pic is too dark to actually show everything. its as if the spawns are too close or the paths are too close, I have seen robo brains attack the nearest target, say raiders, on the other side of the raiders are rad scorps, the scorps and the robots kill off the raiders, the rad scorps go back to their area being chased by the robots, which triggers the yoa gui that dont attack the scorps, so they run in after the robots... becomes a bit complicated after that and ends up with a battle royale that some times cause big lag spikes. used to be where my crashes came from.


hope people could follow that, I have been known to connect dots not in a straight line.

1. No, not if you start a new game.

2. Have you followed the upgrade instructions at the top of the first page of this thread?

EVERYONE -- THESE ARE NOT OPTIONAL. THERE IS A REASON I WROTE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE UPGRADE. TO BE READ, TO BE FOLLOWED.



You haven't install the mod properly, or you haven't followed the installation instructions TO THE LETTER.



Thanks for the load order and clarifying you followed all the upgrade steps -- two things:

* Just to check, your MMM - XFO + FOOK is the latest from the new FOIP package I uploaded?

* What does your merged patch do? It may be undoing some of the changes from RC4. Do you need it? (someone else here had a merged patch which, when they removed it, fixed their issues). If you do need it -- have you made a new one once you installed RC4?

If you have done all of the above and it persists, let me know.

I can vouch on the merge patch... grumble, mutter.

@Mart did you check about the hunting looting esp and them not looting ash piles?

No, should they loot ash piles? I'd like to think there's (technically) not a lot left after that.

The new game is where I see this weirdness. Whenever you release an upgrade, I start a new game just to make sure. I also delete all the old savegames.

Just to compare.
In my load order, which include FWE, WMK, MMM merged patch fully preserve MMM settings (MMM loaded last)
Two exeptions
- it also add to itself (and combine in result) factions and relations from other (quest) mods.
-It add NO ATTACK from MMM it the result, if it was overwriten by another mod.
Nothing more.

Martigen,
Firstly, I was just wondering how you pronounce your name? Is it like marty-gen? Or Mart-i-gen?

Back on topicly, a couple posts a go I posted that this decreased performance. I had just realised that I had blindly upgraded from RC3 incorrectly, and thats why the performance was decreased. Infact, performance has -increased- quite substantially. About 3-4 fps in heavy populated areas. Just thought I'd say say.

What's your load order?



Either will do


Thanks for letting me and others know!

The increased FPS is a great! I've been able to up the spawn multiplier, so more enemies to kill.

Great job! :goodjob:

Interesting, I saw four Night Ghouls attack a Radscorpion and then they ran away from me (and I am not running one of the increased spawn options).

Of course, I did not get far before a different one snuck up and attacked me from the rear. I guess I had better go pick up that Medic Armor.

Dogs- disgusting creatures.
When one or two of them see you, they run away, then gathered in flocks about 6-7 and try to attack from behind

Btw the Wanamingos still have weird movement. It's like they're ice skating across the world.

when i select no corpse files,i cannot talk to any NPC and also the escape button on my keyboard dont work to exit out of game otherwise it all works ok i think.....
im using the 1.6 patch
DO I NEED TO USE THE UNOFFICIAL PATCH OT FAKE PATCH ANYMORE?
DO I NEED TO USE VATSFIX ANYMORE?
CHEERS

my load order


Fallout3.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
Anchorage.esm
PointLookout.esm
ThePitt.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
CALIBR.esm
FOOK.esm
CRAFT.esm
EnclaveCommander-OA-Pitt-Steel.esm
Mole Rat Maze.esp
Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm
Sharing and Caring Companions.esm
Meet the Devs.ESP
xrepair-custom-only.esp
xrepair-scrap-only.esp
XFO_rarity_drugs_high.esp
XFO_Cripple_fixes.esp
XFO_barter_fix_harder.esp
XFO_Sneak_Rebalance_mild.esp
XFO_Playstyles.esp
XFO_SPECIAL_DnD.esp
XFO_Perk_rebalance.esp
XFO_Degradation_fixes.esp
XFO_Enemy_rebalance (no MMM or FOOK).esp
XFO_misc_tweaks.esp
XFO_Karma_changes.esp
XFO_Pacing_Extra_Levels.esp
XFO_food_water_changes.esp
XFO_Gore_fixes.esp
XFO_Immersion_Necessities.esp
XFO_Pacing_Epic.esp
XFO_Perk_Flaws.esp
XFO_rarity_ammo_high_FOOK.esp
XFO_Perk_paths.esp
XFO_Speed_increase.esp
XFO_Radiation_changes.esp
XFO_Timescale_med.esp
XFO_Stat_changes.esp
XFO_SP_Fix2_(SP10_TAGx2_INTxHalf).esp
XFO_Weapon_Jamming.esp
XFO_VATSdmg_75.esp
XFO_Weapskill_accuracy_notdmg_mild_FOOK.esp
ALIEN INVASION 2.esp
ALIEN INVASION.esp
Ammo_Dispenser.esp
Ammo_Schematics.esp
BetterHeadshots.esp
BrokenSteelFix-GNRAnnouncements.esp
CALIBR Ammo Schematics - CRAFT.esp
The Car Fort With Quests.esp
CALIBRxMerchant.esp
CRAFT - Activation Perk.esp
Stealthboy Recon Armor - CRAFT.esp
CrossRepairArmor.esp
AnchoRepair.esp
BSteelRepair.esp
PittRepair.esp
PLookoutRepair.esp
Death Canyon v3.esp
Delaida.esp
DK_BulletTime.esp
DTOMRC3.esp
NecronomiconExMortis 5.5.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
Echo_BatteryCharger.esp
Enhanced Weather - Rainbows.esp
firelance-quest.esp
FOOK - Broken Steel.esp
FOOK - Point Lookout.esp
FOOK - The Pitt.esp
FOOK - Anchorage.esp
jmschematics.esp
JSF v.1.esp
KORsVaultHome.esp
WeaponModKits.esp
Krigos2SVD.esp
FOOK - Anchorage hotfix.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FOOK.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - XFO + FOOK.esp
WeaponModKits - FOOK.esp
FOOK - Strength Requirements for Miniguns, Gatlings, 20mm Flak.esp
FOOK.esp
LEXVault74 1.1.esp
MaxLevelWorkaround-BS.esp
MaxLevelWorkaround-HP-BS.esp
merc.esp
Mighty Mouse Alternative 4.esp
Dree Perks.esp
Dree Perks Pitts.esp
Dree Perks Requested by Fans .esp
MoreMapMarkers.esp
My_Megaton_House.esp
NightvisionGoggles(Powered).esp
noautoaim.esp
NoTracers.esp
Old Military Bunker 1.4.esp
Owned!.esp
Pirata.esp
10-Year-Respawn.esp
richvendors.esp
RobCo Certified.esp
Trophies - Megaton.esp
ShellRain.esp
Trouble.esp
TroubleCheat.esp
GalaxyNewsRadioFix[S].esp
telescope_quest_fdt.esp
TheMissingScientist1_V1.21.esp
japanese_menace.esp
Treasure Maps_Bobblehead Edition.esp
Treasure Maps_Underground.esp
ClassicEnclaveAPA-Better-APA-english.esp
DarNifiedUIF3.esp
Project Beauty.esp
DUIF3Extras.esp
UPP - Beverage Perks.esp
UPP - Experience Perks.esp
UPP - Pack 1.esp
UPP - Pack 2.esp
UPP - Quest Perks.esp
VATSFixOff.esp
MX_Vault74fix.esp
MX_Vault74_eng.esp
Vault74hotfix.esp
Vault010.esp
Location 1 (Megaton-V101).esp
Vault 89 (player home) V1-30.esp
Enhanced Weather - Radioactive Rain Plugin.esp
Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.esp
WastelandMastery.esp
Fellout-Anchorage.esp
Fellout-BrokenSteel.esp
Fellout-Full.esp
Fellout-pipboylight.esp
GhostRadio.esp
KillableKidsNormalHealthOptional.esp
Wasteland Mercs 2.0 - no child left behind edition.esp
WeightRebalance.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - XFO (not FOOK).esp
Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Increased Spawns.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp

Total active plugins: 149
Total plugins: 163

So firstly, that's not possible. Corpse Flies doesn't alter anything to do with NPC integration and certainly not the player's keyboard!


No. Tell me, why do you install mods and updates and patches without reading what they do?


All of the above need to load after Mart's Mutant Mod.esp. This is in the INSTALL INSTRUCTIONS which you read, right?


This has been replaced by Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp... which you're also loading. Why didn't you remove this?


Why are you loading this and the XFO + FOOK version above? This file is out of date, you also should have deleted it a long time ago.

Finally, with that many mods I'm not surprised you've got problems. I'd suggest culling anything you don't need or don't know intimately the changes it makes to your game.

Mart, no offence, but are you certain we don't need the unofficial patch with the 1.6 version? I do read the necessary posts and readmes, and it's not clear to me that we should stop using it after 1.6...

Cheers, bendiwolf

it works just fine for me doing it the regular way....

Mart is correct, you do not need it.

trying not to take off topic but unofficial patch is still a good idea as it fixes masses of things that arent even touched by the official patches
however it has been suggested that you no longer need to use masterupdate with 1.6- though again some people have found greater stability using both

thankyou martigen for the help...i have now loaded my mods in the order that you recommended however whenever i go to certain areas my framerate drops very low and then the game crashes...whenever i disable mmmf v4 i get no crash...does anybody know how to fix this please...i never used to get this with mmmf v3
thankyou greatly appreciated

Fallout3.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
Anchorage.esm
PointLookout.esm
ThePitt.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
CALIBR.esm
FOOK.esm
CRAFT.esm
EnclaveCommander-OA-Pitt-Steel.esm
Mole Rat Maze.esp
Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm
Sharing and Caring Companions.esm
Meet the Devs.ESP
xrepair-custom-only.esp
xrepair-scrap-only.esp
XFO_rarity_drugs_high.esp
XFO_Cripple_fixes.esp
XFO_barter_fix_harder.esp
XFO_Sneak_Rebalance_mild.esp
XFO_Playstyles.esp
XFO_SPECIAL_DnD.esp
XFO_Perk_rebalance.esp
XFO_Degradation_fixes.esp
XFO_Enemy_rebalance (no MMM or FOOK).esp
XFO_misc_tweaks.esp
XFO_Karma_changes.esp
XFO_Pacing_Extra_Levels.esp
XFO_food_water_changes.esp
XFO_Gore_fixes.esp
XFO_Immersion_Necessities.esp
XFO_Pacing_Epic.esp
XFO_Perk_Flaws.esp
XFO_rarity_ammo_high_FOOK.esp
XFO_Perk_paths.esp
XFO_Speed_increase.esp
XFO_Radiation_changes.esp
XFO_Timescale_med.esp
XFO_Stat_changes.esp
XFO_SP_Fix2_(SP10_TAGx2_INTxHalf).esp
XFO_Weapon_Jamming.esp
XFO_VATSdmg_75.esp
XFO_Weapskill_accuracy_notdmg_mild_FOOK.esp
ALIEN INVASION 2.esp
ALIEN INVASION.esp
Ammo_Dispenser.esp
Ammo_Schematics.esp
BetterHeadshots.esp
BrokenSteelFix-GNRAnnouncements.esp
CALIBR Ammo Schematics - CRAFT.esp
The Car Fort With Quests.esp
CALIBRxMerchant.esp
CRAFT - Activation Perk.esp
Stealthboy Recon Armor - CRAFT.esp
CrossRepairArmor.esp
AnchoRepair.esp
BSteelRepair.esp
PittRepair.esp
PLookoutRepair.esp
Death Canyon v3.esp
Delaida.esp
DK_BulletTime.esp
DTOMRC3.esp
NecronomiconExMortis 5.5.esp
Echo_BatteryCharger.esp
Enhanced Weather - Rainbows.esp
firelance-quest.esp
FOOK - Broken Steel.esp
FOOK - Point Lookout.esp
FOOK - The Pitt.esp
FOOK - Anchorage.esp
jmschematics.esp
JSF v.1.esp
KORsVaultHome.esp
WeaponModKits.esp
Krigos2SVD.esp
FOOK - Anchorage hotfix.esp
WeaponModKits - FOOK.esp
FOOK - Strength Requirements for Miniguns, Gatlings, 20mm Flak.esp
FOOK.esp
LEXVault74 1.1.esp
MaxLevelWorkaround-BS.esp
MaxLevelWorkaround-HP-BS.esp
merc.esp
Mighty Mouse Alternative 4.esp
Dree Perks.esp
Dree Perks Pitts.esp
Dree Perks Requested by Fans .esp
MoreMapMarkers.esp
My_Megaton_House.esp
NightvisionGoggles(Powered).esp
noautoaim.esp
NoTracers.esp
Old Military Bunker 1.4.esp
Owned!.esp
Pirata.esp
10-Year-Respawn.esp
richvendors.esp
RobCo Certified.esp
Trophies - Megaton.esp
ShellRain.esp
Trouble.esp
TroubleCheat.esp
GalaxyNewsRadioFix[S].esp
telescope_quest_fdt.esp
TheMissingScientist1_V1.21.esp
japanese_menace.esp
Treasure Maps_Bobblehead Edition.esp
Treasure Maps_Underground.esp
ClassicEnclaveAPA-Better-APA-english.esp
DarNifiedUIF3.esp
Project Beauty.esp
DUIF3Extras.esp
UPP - Beverage Perks.esp
UPP - Experience Perks.esp
UPP - Pack 1.esp
UPP - Pack 2.esp
UPP - Quest Perks.esp
VATSFixOff.esp
MX_Vault74fix.esp
MX_Vault74_eng.esp
Vault74hotfix.esp
Vault010.esp
Location 2 (Fort Constantine).esp
Vault 89 (player home) V1-30.esp
Enhanced Weather - Radioactive Rain Plugin.esp
Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.esp
WastelandMastery.esp
Fellout-Anchorage.esp
Fellout-BrokenSteel.esp
Fellout-Full.esp
Fellout-pipboylight.esp
KillableKidsNormalHealthOptional.esp
Wasteland Mercs 2.0 - no child left behind edition.esp
WeightRebalance.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FOOK.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - XFO + FOOK.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Increased Spawns.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp

Total active plugins: 146
Total plugins: 147

I am having a strange problem since installing the new version (i'm pretty sure it is this mod but I can't confirm it). I've just started Broken Steel, I was at the Citadel, I fast travelled to Megaton to carry out the install process, then fast travelled back to the Citadel to make a start, when I noticed extreme slow down. I looked around and saw this, it's like the scene from a war movie -

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/412/screenshot465.jpg

There are actually about 150 troops in the screenshot, and they keep respawning, cloning from a single guy here -

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1180/screenshot475.jpg

It's even worse around the other side of the Citadel -

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5246/screenshot470.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7800/screenshot471.jpg

oooh, you got baited!

remove all of mmm, and redo the install of mm from scratch following the instructions. it should clear up better, just removing the old stuff doesnt count. remember to uninstall, load game, rest 4 days in house, save, reinstall, I usually wait 4 more days to allow respawns, and go.

also, go through your weather mods, you have a bit of redundancy and order
you have rain, then radioactive rain, then rain again.

check your repair mods for redundancy, personally, I use repair rethought reborn, works with dlc as well.
you have more than 1 vats mod, make sure they dont mess each other up

Martigen, I'm also getting the spawn issue where it's just a large brawl between bots and ghouls and bugs etc etc and I did follow your upgrade instructions to the letter but I'm more interested in your feedback on a more serious issue that I am having.

I'm having an issue with the MQ of Broken Steel not transitioning properly. The main thing is I can't get Fawkes to activate the purifier, it's as if his AI package is broken. Another serious issue is when I activate the purifier myself, after I regain control of my body the quest log still shows that I am on "Take it Back" and that I should activate the purifier. I actually went in the rotunda to check around and the doors sealed behind me just like I was there fighting colonel autumn so I was trapped.

I'm going to disable all mods at a save that I made just prior to beginning the "Take it Back" quest and see what happens. For your reference, this is my load order, top to bottom. I don't know how to make mine show up nice and pretty like the posters above me did.

Fallout3.esm
ThePitt.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
Anchorage.esm
PointLookout.esm
FOOK.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
ACE2.0b.esp
Butcher Petes Meat.esp
eyes_hairpack_en.esp
MrSlackPants-DecentPipBoyLight.esp
SomePoses.esp
Slower Degradation (-95%).esp
FOOK.esp
FOOK - Miniguns Classic Requirements.esp
FOOK - CMF Ammo NPC.esp
FOOK - CMF Ammo Container.esp
FOOK - Balance Changes.esp
FOOK - Point Lookout.esp
FOOK - Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FOOK.esp

Total active plugins: 29
Total plugins: 44