Yeah and then their kids get guns and kill them the same way the 14 year old boy killed his mother because she told him to stop playing Halo and do his homework.

Since a game says clearly (18+) why people buy this game and give it to people (-18).
They [censored] up their kid's mentality.

It's obvious that OP isn't just some neglectful parent. He's supervising his kid while playing the game. 1) he's spending time with his kid and 2) he's actually taking an active role in teaching him about what's going on in the game and what it means. He's not just buying the game, and letting his kid play without any concern for the content. You can just call him a bad parent because he lets his son play video games rated M. There are thousands of different reasons that some kids turn out to be like that, but if their parents honestly took the concern that OP is taken, I highly doubt that this would happen.

Basically, the kid's psychology is [censored] up because the parents didn't care. OP obviously cares, or he wouldn't be asking or spending time with his son while playing the game. It's not like playing an M rated game will magically turn the kid into a sociopath.

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"needs more death" is all I get from this post, man I knew our culture was [censored] up but damn.

What I got from it, and which I agree with, is that children can handle much more than most Western parents these days give them credit for.

So a child is considered an advlt at 13 by your standards ? Really.

Yes they can handle exposure, and some people are over protective but acting as though the old days are somehow better is just stupid.

Not an advlt obviously, but definitely capable of handling dismemberment and six in video games. I played Max Payne at age 12, my youngest brother did at 8. That game is way worse than Mass Effect in pretty much everything (implied six, drugs, violence) yet we both turned out to be model citizens.

And in some aspects (of course not all, though I don't think I should have to spell that out for you) the old days were indeed better.

I know in Jewish traditions 13 is when one becomes an advlt.

But seriously, I was making a point that it's just not "six bad, violence good." Most parents that I knew when I was little wouldn't let their own children have games outside of Sonic, Mario, and such (if they were even allowed to have videogames). Sneaking to play Mortal Kombat at the arcades was a big deal, along with watching R rated movies when I was around 7 and such. Plus, I loved my Rareware and Nintendo games on the 64! They were much better than the crap today.

So now I'm psychologically damaged? Really? Now that's just offensive.

They were better in terms of maturity. Seriously, being in college is a HUGE eye-opener for me in terms of how stupid and immature the majority of the population is.

High school was more so than college for me. Sure, there were some really naive people and the bros, but college wasn't an eye opener or anything. Heck, most people were way done with high school drama crap and such.

I'm not saying you're damaged. I'm saying that keeping death and six hidden taboos can slow the emotional development of a child. You're basically lying to them about what the world is really like and it will make it more difficult for them to adjust later on.

I'm not telling you how to parent - I just think that parents that hide such things from their children (instead of explain / teach them about them) are actually doing their children a disservice in the long run.

Its like keeping up the act that there is really a Santa Clause. . .

And I'm not "pro-death" but as a culture we seem to fear it too much. In Mexico during the day of the dead people picnic in graveyards to celebrate their ancestors. We seem to want to keep death hidden and never think about it. . . .we're obsessed with naiveté and youth.

Mass Effect 1 and 2 are both good (ME2 is really good) - I'd get the first one before getting the other, simply because of the continuality from the first game to the second. However maybe you want to wait a little because of the sixual content. It's very mild though, almost like something you would see in a PG-13 rated movie.

Thanks guys for all your comments. I know it may seem wierd that I will let my son play Fallout 3, but the gore in Fallout 3 is so over the top, it doesn't even look real. We play on the 360 so it may look more realistic on the PC but not so for the xbox. He is not allowed to buy any furnitutre in Fallout 3 because of the love scene.

As for the violence, it's on TV, it's in the movies, and it's just bascially like Halo or Warhawk, he knows it's not real, and we play games so we don't use guns in real life. Just like we don't chop anyone with a knife, we use swords in video games only. It's just like playing cops or robbers, cow boys and indians, or army when we were kids. We always played it, just never did it.

six on the ohter hand is a totally different topic. This is something a 9 year old doesn't need to learn just yet. It's already bad enough when he sees a dog trying to hump, he asked what it was, we couldn't really explain it to him. :hubbahubba: There is some things you just don't teach a 9 year old yet.

I never got the Gears of War I or II because the gore looks more worse than Fallout. Again, Fallout 3 is wayover the top that it doesn't look real at all. I never got Call of Duty or World at War, because they do look too real. While Halo is basically the same game, it doesn't look real. When I saw how the cut scenes in how some General slices the throat of an American soldier, I had to say No, it is just too real.

It's like Road Runner and Coyotee or Tweety Bird and Sylvester. They are so viloent cartoons, but don't look real at all. While the same violence is done in other movies, but since they look real my son can't watch them. It all comes down to how real it is. Like Suran in Morrowind, it doesn't look real at all, so I have nothing to worry about. Now if they did a Suran in Skyrim, then I will have something to worry about.

Thanks to the person who linked the youtube video, I can strongly say, that is inapropriate for my son. It is just too real.

I really am trying to do my homework here. I guess in 2 years, it will be moot, my son will be 12, and will know about these things, but untill then, he doesn't need to know.

Thanks again, for all your help.

Fallout 3 had a love scene?

A friend of mine got my ME1 and 2 for Christmas and I just started playing the first one. It's quite fun but buggy as hell on my computer, and when it crashes it generally requires a hard reboot. When I tried searching for my error it turns out it's generally something people get when they have an insufficient video card although mine is more than sufficient and I have up to date drivers. Reducing my resolution and texture detail has helped but I must say playing at 1024x768 with medium texture depth when my PC can play Crysis will all of the bells and whistles (except the DX10 ones) at 1280x960 really svcks.

Oh well, I suppose an exceptionally buggy experience will help me empathize with the FONV tech forums (FONV runs exceptionally well on my PC).


One of the schemes you can purchase for your house includes a large heart-shaped bed with Dukov's lisbian six statue hanging above it.

Yes, Mass Effect is amazing

Basically it looks like Austin Powers Love shack room. If you looked at the cealing, it looks like a balloon. a woman laying on her back with legs spread open with a male ontop. Doesn't look much but still, that symbolism, is too hard to explain. Again something we don't play when we are young.

Huh I thought it was two women - it's been ages since I checked out all of the house themes though.

It could be 2 women, I couldn't look at it long enough since my son was about to come into the room. Still hard to explain to a 7 year old at the time.

When a man and a woman love each other very much...

I don't see any problem with explaining the basics of reproduction to a 9 year old. You shouldn't show him porm (like that FO3 statue) but telling him how it works isn't going to hurt him, especially since he is already asking. You can bet that if they haven't been exposed to it yet they will be soon. My parents explained stuff around that age and I turned out just fine.

I'm also really not seeing the distinction between real and not real for you. Sure, its pretty obvious that Road Runner is totally fake. However, Fallout, while over the top, is realistic enough to be make an impression on a youngster. Same thing with Suran: while they are polygon-y stripper ladies, they are still stripper ladies. I guess I don't see the criteria you are using to draw the line.

Get your kid Pokemon or something.

Heh, heh, heh....

You said POK E MON.

Heh, heh, heh....

I beg to differ.

Pokemon is universal.

No, it should be when they discover porm. That way, it'll be way more awkward for the child!

*picks raider theme* Oh mutilated corpses nice.

You cant hide your son from six forever, should have explained it with the dogs... God that sounds creepy.

+1

People who grow up on farms and cultures like Mennonites and Quakers know more about six than most city-kids just from watching what farm animals do.