Within 5 minutes of playing today (after jumping through hoops trying to get the game to run without crashing constantly after the latest patch) I saw a dragon warp around backwards all over the place for a couple minutes before whipping around and phasing through the side of a mountain and disappearing.

Riding a carriage crashes me to desktop 100% of the time.

Clicking anywhere on the map automatically closes the map, making fast travel impossible.

Thats not the point. bethesda gives no other option to fix their product other than to download a patch.

Within 5 minutes of playing today (after jumping through hoops trying to get the game to run without crashing constantly after the latest patch) I saw a dragon warp around backwards all over the place for a couple minutes before whipping around and phasing through the side of a mountain and disappearing.

Riding a carriage crashes me to desktop 100% of the time.

Clicking anywhere on the map automatically closes the map, making fast travel impossible.

You're experiencing bugs that occur off and on when playing games on PCs.
Rarely do I ever come across a major PC game with bugs this bad.
If it was something that was "broken" it would affect every player on the same system the same way.
Sorry, no, that isn't how it works. It's broken if it's something straight up does not work through no fault of the player and it affects many people. Which it does.
"Broken" is one of the most overused and misused words in gaming....
I think it's "immersion".
I'm currently playing on a 360, have over 100 hrs of gaming, and have experienced only 1 freeze up. No other issues so far.
Good for you. I've played 80 hours on PC and probably spent double that troubleshooting, replacing files, tweaking settings, crashing, etc trying to get the game to run properly.
There are glitches and bugs...but I still don't see anything "broken".

And then there's the part where, since all the platforms (PS3, X360, PC) are theoretically capable of downloading patches, there's no reason for any kind of "recall" to start with.



(on the general topic of lawsuits - there's way too many lawyer-profit-driven, screw the customer, frivolous/moronic "class action" suits out there. The world doesn't need more.)

If this game was put out pre-patchable console, Bethesda would be dealing with law suits and fans trying to burn their offices down.

No they wouldn't. Can you name me a game - name me one single game - where the developer or publisher faced lawsuits because it was too buggy? I'm not even gonna address the "burning their offices down" nonsense.

I can't think of a game that I played that was this buggy. And maybe not lawsuits, but I don't expect they would be rushing to make a sequel knowing fans wouldn't trust them to make a solid game, which at this point I am questioning from Bethesda. I don't pay $60 to own something that I can't fully use for several months. I am not asking for perfection, I am asking the Dev team care about the product they are putting out. They cared more about their "11-11-11" campagin then they did about releasing a complete game.

I like the part where you didn't know what you were talking about.

You talking to me?

I can name you a game that was far buggier than Skyrim is, and not just for a relative handful of the players. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_magic was nearly unplayable in version 1.0 the bugs were so bad. They kept patching the game - this back in a day when "putting a patch out" meant the people who bought the game filled out a postage-paid postcard inside and mailed it back to the developer, who then mailed you a CD (originally two 3.5" disks!) with the patched version on it. They put out multiple patches and the end result was that it's widely considered a classic game. And yes, for many years people kept begging for a sequel. It's one of the classic turn based strategy 4X games, and certainly on a level with Civilization.

And no, there was no class action lawsuit against the developer, and no, nobody burned their offices down, and yes, any sequel they developed would have sold out in a heartbeat.

I see alot of people complaining about lag on PS3. I say that if any of you have the gaul, you should sue them for a policy change for all console games. Simply put, make Mass Recall law on defective products. The fact that you had to pay cash for a product that is broken on purchase should be very easy to win your case in court.

Think of it this way. California has the lemon law which is differet from most states. It states that basically anything defective within X amount of time or USE is considered a lemon purchase and must be refunded in full amount. Also, it should be illegal to sell a product that is known to be defective without wavering that fact with the customer. This is why you have to sign off for damn near anything that MIGHT have a problem. They wantyou to take responsibility rather then them. I don't remember seeing anyone sign anything when buying skyrim so it is safe to assume, we were not told of known issues at purchase. Everyone would have gotten it for PC if we knew it would have been [censored] on ps3.

Now the only way to stop this from happening to anyone else in the future, you as a people, must due a huge class action law suit in the thousands that make it unignorable so you can get laws passed to protect your rights as a paying customer. If only you would act, this might never happen again.

But please stop crying in the forums about something if you arn't going to do anything about it.

I see alot of people complaining about lag on PS3. I say that if any of you have the gaul, you should sue them for a policy change for all console games. Simply put, make Mass Recall law on defective products. The fact that you had to pay cash for a product that is broken on purchase should be very easy to win your case in court.

Think of it this way. California has the lemon law which is differet from most states. It states that basically anything defective within X amount of time or USE is considered a lemon purchase and must be refunded in full amount. Also, it should be illegal to sell a product that is known to be defective without wavering that fact with the customer. This is why you have to sign off for damn near anything that MIGHT have a problem. They wantyou to take responsibility rather then them. I don't remember seeing anyone sign anything when buying skyrim so it is safe to assume, we were not told of known issues at purchase. Everyone would have gotten it for PC if we knew it would have been [censored] on ps3.

Now the only way to stop this from happening to anyone else in the future, you as a people, must due a huge class action law suit in the thousands that make it unignorable so you can get laws passed to protect your rights as a paying customer. If only you would act, this might never happen again.

But please stop crying in the forums about something if you arn't going to do anything about it.

I don't believe I quoted you, did I?

I never heard that game until today. Was never a huge PC player back in the day, but that is neither here nor there. But I can tell you right now, if a new Elder Scroll game came out next year, I won't be in line for it. I will be waiting till I hear it's playable before I even think of touching it. No matter what you compare this game to, this is shouldn't be happening. They have Alphas and Beta testing. They have Obilivion to look back at. In the end, it came down to the fact that they couldn't change the release date to fix the problems. They released a game knowing it wasn't ready to be released, expecting everyone to be happy struggling through a buggy game till they get patches ready.

I wondered when something like this would happen.
Also most aren't crying they are voicing their concern over their broken product. Seriously though that is like telling someone who got [censored] if they aren't going to do something about it shut up. Or if you aren't planning to avenge the murder don't complain about your dead parent, or if you aren't going to take the bank to court don't complain that they screwed you out of your morgage. I wish defenders of Bethesda when Bethesda is in the wrong would be more in touch with reality.