I just finished reading the Infernal City, and After reading it, I noticed alot of Lore holes in the story.

For one, they got Umbra all wrong. Totally wrong.

Two, Morrowind bieng destroyed was Lore bad

Three, Waters Edge was a deserted town with 1 resident near a river with very little expanion space, Even with it bieng a neutral zone, how did it become a big town?

I could go on for a while, but I wish to see if you agree or disagree with this statement and why:

Was The Infernal City very very bad Lore Wise for the elder scrolls lore?

and

Should The book be official Cannon?

If Bethesda approved the content of the book and allowed it to be published as an official TES product then it is canon.

How did they get it wrong?



How so? You've got to provide details if you're going to say something like that.



It was a vital neutral zone where both warring counties could settle their differences and trade. With the money coming in, they found ways to expand and became a decent sized town.



No, I think it followed lore just fine, but of course, I'm far from a lore buff.



Yes. Bethesda had a huge part in approving this story, and anything Keyes wrote had to be double checked with Bethesda. This is canon whether you like it or not, we don't have a say in the matter.

1)Wait how did they get Umbra wrong,please explain.
2)I was mad too that Morrowind was destroyed,but after thinking about it abit,it is also story refreshing for TES.Also the loveletter predicted this.
3)Towns develope over time you know.
4)It is umm...intresting to the lore and maybe TESV
5)If Bethesda gave it a ok it's considered cannon.

In Oblivion, the entire population of Chorrol was 56 (excluding the dogs ). I'm sure that anything you see in Oblivion is much larger in reality. In all, I was surprised with how much Keyes got right in the book.

What did they do wrong with Umbra? Seemed pretty Umbra-ish to me. It feeds on souls like a vampire feeds on blood, and eventually makes you crazy. That's what Umbra has always done, and what it's supposed to do.


How so? MK pretty much said it would happen a while back, and no continuity errors were caused by it.


Oblivion is not to scale. Always assume that everything you see in it should be several times larger (You don't really think the Imperial City is only supposed to have 150 people in it, do you?) Also, it's been 40 years.


No way, it was awesome. We find out what happens after the Oblivion Crisis, plot threads from Morrowind get wrapped up, realistic changes happen to the world, and we see more of Elseweyr.


It already is. Writers from Bethesda worked quite closely with Greg Keyes in its conception, Mister Keyes definitely did his research, and it doesn't introduce much in the way of continuity errors, and Bethesda has approved it.

Red Mountain collapsed? I dont remember that happening. The chamber may have, but the mountain itself remained standing (acording to both the game and subsequent lore).

The "invasion" of morrowind happened after it was hit by the ministry (which decimated a significant portion of the mainland), which means not many people were around to defend. Those that remained were greatly weakened, not to mention distraught from first loosing their gods, then their savior, and then their whole land. The actual forces were likely committed elsewhere or no longer existent.

i agree that its not the most plausible thing ever, but i wouldnt say that its a huge unfixable hole in the story rendering the whole book moot.

Umbra being enchanted by a witch doesnt preclude a connection to Vile. its sort of his realm and all, and if i remember corectly witches perform daedra summonings.

Redoran and Indoril were the ones who did the bulk of the work in defending Morrowind. With Redoran weakened in the Oblivion Crisis and the downfall of Indoril, the Dunmer were left without some of their most faithful and devoted defenders.

Red Mountain, even with the heart gone, is still an active volcano. All it needed was a little push from the MoT to make it wreck Vvardenfall. Plus, it did NOT destroy ALL of Morrowind. Sure, the southern portion has most likely ravaged by the resulting ash from the explosion. Plus, we don't even need to look to Obscure Texts to know this was going to happen. It was bound to happen since TES:III with Vivec's Sermons, with one of them stating his purpose with the moon and what it will do if certain prerequisites were not fulfilled (not loving Vivec). And guess what happened, Love was rejected thanks to Vulhon and BOOM!

Also, the Argonians, as confirmed by MK years ago, completely wrecked the living crap out of MD's forces. With a weakened land in MW, and the Hist directing all the land coordination to fight back the oppressive dunmer, the argonians wrecked them like they did with MD.

So no, you are wrong to assume it's lore unfriendly and not canon. This book has been extremely lore friendly, and it created new and interesting lore. Yes this book is canon, and the skeleton of what was to happen was already decided. Greg Keyes was hired to add the meat and flesh on the bones to make it complete.

Hm. Didn't think of It like that.

well, I do say I was wrong on this matter. It is Lore Friendly. Lore correct or not, though, the book is still quite enjoyable.

Ugh, fine, I find it extremely lore correct. Now don't make me go on a quest slay your hair splitting.

There are no lore holes. The author said in interviews they he was given complete access to the people at Bethesda so they could make sure it was in line with the lore. It just sounds as if you don't like the changes that have occurred in the TES world.

"Two, Morrowind being destroyed was Lore bad" IMO it was good. To many fictional settings out there get stale because the devs aren't willing to change things.


"Three, Waters Edge was a deserted town with 1 resident near a river with very little expansion space, Even with it being a neutral zone, how did it become a big town?" You know it doesn't take 100 years to make a big town. 40 years is plenty of time for growth.

On top of that why would Bethesda allow someone to write a book and then turn around and not make it cannon? Doesn't make sense. Sry my friend its cannon.

What love letter. Please explain

This one.

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml

I think you overlooked one big point, in the games the scale of the provinces and effectively the settlements was severely reduced.
Take a look at http://www.imperial-library.info/maps/n-enc-tamr-map01.gif which has a size scale, judged from that they little border land is 50km - 70km wide, that's more than enough to form a neutral zone.

Waters edge could be a harbor town for all we know instead of a tiny village, remember the Imperial City is quite likely supposed to be a town that could rival Rome at it's prime and house MILLIONS of people, not just 200.


PS: There IS a difference between "lore" and "story", the lore is something that story is based on and the story then BECOMES lore for the future.

I'm put off by ideas from the book, but I'm open to the possibility the book will unfold into a gracious retcon of other ideas I don't like.

The more I hear about the book, the more it sounds like a lore friendly fan fic. A fan fic with wieght of officiousnessositilitizors. I wish it scratched my worldbuilding itch.


(I don't know how to spell weight)

You are aware of the significance of the 911 in that text?

This was written some years after that real-world event. It was written on the anniversary of it, and drew some inspiration from some of the themes, but it's treated as canon - which has been solidified now that it's confirmed in an official novel.

Well considering its at the bottom in an ooc comment, why wouldn't I be?

I just had an amusing epiphany - Lore Holes would be the perfect title for some of the people who post here.

"Don't mind those stuffy old guys in robes who tend to the books..they're just a bunch of sour old lore-holes."

thanks

Yes, it svcks for lore, but unfortunately we have to accept it as it is cannon.

its really not that bad. really. the mood is not quite right, and i don't approve of making a major player out of a persistent gameplay item, but its really not as bad as you seem to think. it doesn't contradict anything that matters and actually raises a few interesting points.

I like the idea, that Umbra's going to land on Cyrodiil, the Imperial City. It's not like I hate the book, it just makes me tired.