materials, the odd weapons

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 1:37 am

all the materials where in past games. all of them are lore friendly. i havent included obvious things (like steel, longswords, or SPEARS AND CROSSBOWS!!!!! )





indoril http://images.uesp.net//thumb/0/08/MW-concept-indoril.jpg/180px-MW-concept-indoril.jpg - there are dumner refugees !













katara http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katara_(sword)
dao http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Chinese_saber.jpg/220px-Chinese_saber.jpg
execution sword http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Scharfrichterschwert-ffm002.jpg/220px-Scharfrichterschwert-ffm002.jpg
falcata http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Falcata_%C3%ADbera_%28M.A.N._Madrid%29_01_vertical.jpg/94px-Falcata_%C3%ADbera_%28M.A.N._Madrid%29_01_vertical.jpg
User avatar
SexyPimpAss
 
Posts: 3416
Joined: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:24 am

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 3:28 am

all the materials where in past games. all of them are lore friendly. i havent included obvious things (like steel, longswords, or SPEARS AND CROSSBOWS!!!!! )





indoril http://images.uesp.net//thumb/0/08/MW-concept-indoril.jpg/180px-MW-concept-indoril.jpg - there are dumner refugees !













katara http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katara_(sword)
dao http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Chinese_saber.jpg/220px-Chinese_saber.jpg
execution sword http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Scharfrichterschwert-ffm002.jpg/220px-Scharfrichterschwert-ffm002.jpg
falcata http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Falcata_%C3%ADbera_%28M.A.N._Madrid%29_01_vertical.jpg/94px-Falcata_%C3%ADbera_%28M.A.N._Madrid%29_01_vertical.jpg



Dude... did you mean Katar?
User avatar
I’m my own
 
Posts: 3344
Joined: Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:55 am

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 12:27 pm

Dude... did you mean Katar?


there actually IS a Katara weapon. it looks a bit loke Voldo's weapons from Soul Calibur


and honestly, the more diverse the weaponry gets, the better I'll feel
User avatar
Brandon Bernardi
 
Posts: 3481
Joined: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:06 am

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 12:57 am

there actually IS a Katara weapon. it looks a bit loke Voldo's weapons from Soul Calibur


and honestly, the more diverse the weaponry gets, the better I'll feel



Thanks for lettin me know. Not familiar with Soul Caliber so much though. Katars are cool though, think of like a foot long dagger strapped to your wrist.Well, it actually has a handle with a wrist brace. Think dagger that you punch with.
User avatar
StunnaLiike FiiFii
 
Posts: 3373
Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:30 am

Post » Mon May 16, 2011 11:42 pm

i searched katar, i couldent find it, but katata gets a result and is similar to what i am looking for
User avatar
HARDHEAD
 
Posts: 3499
Joined: Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:49 am

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 2:26 pm

i searched katar, i couldent find it, but katata gets a result and is similar to what i am looking for



Goolge katar... it will come up with several different images of the weapons I have described.
User avatar
Angel Torres
 
Posts: 3553
Joined: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:08 am

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 9:13 am

I'm still not quite comfortable with Ebony and Glass materials.

I can understand a Glass/Obsidian dagger that would be very sharp, but break easily (maybe only for stealth attacks?), but no matter the fiction I still chuckle at glass and ebony being really sharp and durable materials.

I would like to see: Fur, Leather, Wooden, Iron and Steel materials being crafted into armors in different styles for each of the races; so Orcish Iron Plate Mail, Nordic Steel Scale Armor, Argonian Wooden Armor, Wood Elven Leather, etc..
User avatar
OJY
 
Posts: 3462
Joined: Wed May 30, 2007 3:11 pm

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 6:26 am

I'm still not quite comfortable with Ebony and Glass materials.

I can understand a Glass/Obsidian dagger that would be very sharp, but break easily (maybe only for stealth attacks?), but no matter the fiction I still chuckle at glass and ebony being really sharp and durable materials.

I would like to see: Fur, Leather, Wooden, Iron and Steel materials being crafted into armors in different styles for each of the races; so Orcish Iron Plate Mail, Nordic Steel Scale Armor, Argonian Wooden Armor, Wood Elven Leather, etc..


Actually TES "glass" material its not actual glass, It is a mineral that resembles glass. You have to mine for it :P The same goes for ebony, it is the most durable material in the game (If memory serves me right).


Personally, I'd like all classical TES material plus something new and rare that can be only found in Skyrim :D
User avatar
Matt Gammond
 
Posts: 3410
Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:38 pm

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 3:30 am

Something important with materials that I really hope Bethesda gets straight is that usefulness =/= weight.
If memory serves weapons/armor increased in weight relative to their damage/armor rating, which is just plain silly. A set of mithril armor should definitely weigh less than steel, silver, etc...
It was just sort of irksome in Oblivion especially with the presence of materials that are so good because they're supposed to be light-weight.


I'd really like to see halberds, glaives, poleaxes, and any other polearms find their way into Skyrim. I really miss the spears, and I'd love to have a glaive.
User avatar
Sarah Unwin
 
Posts: 3413
Joined: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:31 pm

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 6:07 am

@NightHuntsman

My friend is an archeologist and after coming back from an expedition searching for mayan artifacts in Belize he was telling me that Mayans and aztecs would use Obsidian(volcanic glass) weapons such as daggers and spears because the edges are so sharp that skin is literally incapable of healing a wound from it so even small scratches would cause an enemy to bleed out cause it wouldn't clot.
User avatar
Trevi
 
Posts: 3404
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:26 pm

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 11:43 am

I like all,if not most of those choices.....good job :)
User avatar
JUDY FIGHTS
 
Posts: 3420
Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:25 am

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 9:20 am

D. All of the above.
User avatar
Carys
 
Posts: 3369
Joined: Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:15 pm

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 1:02 pm

I want stalhrim weapons!
User avatar
Natasha Biss
 
Posts: 3491
Joined: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:47 am

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 11:53 am

All of the above and also some unique looking sets, more variation within a material type so a xxx cuirass isn't always a xxx cuirass.
User avatar
D IV
 
Posts: 3406
Joined: Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:32 am

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 3:16 am

I think you left out one important material.

If we are going to be offing lots of dragons we might as well use their hides for something right?
User avatar
TASTY TRACY
 
Posts: 3282
Joined: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:11 pm

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 9:37 am

the problem is that most voters probably never played morrowind :( they dont know what i mean when i talk about all these fantastic things. and others dont know what a dao is, so they asume it is wrong to have a weapon they dont know about. daos are awsome
User avatar
Kevin S
 
Posts: 3457
Joined: Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:50 pm

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 11:37 am

so sharp that skin is literally incapable of healing a wound from it so even small scratches would cause an enemy to bleed out cause it wouldn't clot.

Mustn't... flame... nonsensical... comment...


I think maybe Mammoth-leather would be a more obvious choice that mammoth-fur ? Elephant-leather exists, and it is very tough stuff... But the hair on elephants aren't like... Nice fur. Like on bears or wolves. It's sort of needly hard big hairs, that hurt the skin. I imagine a mammoth would be the same.
User avatar
Antony Holdsworth
 
Posts: 3387
Joined: Tue May 29, 2007 4:50 am

Post » Mon May 16, 2011 10:22 pm

Like another poster here said; I'd love to see the return of stalhrim as a material, unless the lore-books have said something about it being unique to Soltsheim.

Otherwise I'd just like the armor to make sense in the setting; given it is cold, it's very likely that heavy armor has been inlaid/padded with fur.
User avatar
jenny goodwin
 
Posts: 3461
Joined: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:57 am

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 12:34 am

hmmm, daedric halberds sound nice.
User avatar
A Boy called Marilyn
 
Posts: 3391
Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 7:17 am

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 7:17 am

the edges are so sharp that skin is literally incapable of healing a wound from it so even small scratches would cause an enemy to bleed out cause it wouldn't clot.


That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard all week. Source?
User avatar
Nancy RIP
 
Posts: 3519
Joined: Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:42 am

Post » Mon May 16, 2011 11:16 pm

Lol he is an archeology major with a minor in Biology. I tend to believe him

Mind you, this was thousands of years ago before any sort of advanced medicine or healing techniques. And with sharped Obsidian and by minor cut I mean I decent hit that is going to make you bleed of course. I obviously don't mean little scratches.
User avatar
Andres Lechuga
 
Posts: 3406
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:47 pm

Post » Mon May 16, 2011 10:54 pm

The edges are so sharp that skin is literally incapable of healing a wound from it so even small scratches would cause an enemy to bleed out cause it wouldn't clot.



Actually, surgeons sometimes use scalpels made out of obsidian because they're sharper than steel and therefore patients heal faster and scar less.

EDIT: Though I guess you have a point about people on a battlefield not being able to receive immediate medical attention and may suffer great blood loss from the cuts.
User avatar
Oyuki Manson Lavey
 
Posts: 3438
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:47 am

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 3:35 am

So it appears he may have over exaggerated but for those of you who don't think of glass being used for swords, I think this is about as close as it gets

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macuahuitl
User avatar
Pete Schmitzer
 
Posts: 3387
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:20 am

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 2:22 am

the problem is that most voters probably never played morrowind :( they dont know what i mean when i talk about all these fantastic things. and others dont know what a dao is, so they asume it is wrong to have a weapon they dont know about. daos are awsome


No, I've played Morrowind. I don't agree on many of the materials though. Reasons:
* Adamantium was not part of Morrowind, it came with a plugin to fill the non metal gap in medium, and wasn't even complete then.
* Daedric makes sense, and I doubt we'll loose it. But Dremora armor? Doesn't make sense to me.
* Chitin, specific to Vvardenfell, doesn't fit.
* Bonemold, specific to Vvardenfell, doesn't fit.
* Netch leather, specific to Vvardenfell, doesn't fit.
* Daedra skin???
* Indoril is based on Chitin, so also can't be in.
* I thought Golden Saint wore Dwarven material but in Elvish style?
As for "being imported", what's the status of Vvardenfell?
I even have mental issues conceptualizing glass as a material to be used this way. It's a liquid, needs to be thick (thus heavy, not light), or brittle if you want it thin enough to mold and make joints in. If it was up to me, I'd remove that too :P If anything, a wooden club with glass shards in it.
Many of the materials certainly don't qualify as weapons, although I'm not sure if armor is also included. Silver is opposite, it doesn't make sense as an armor.

As for materials for weapons, I think wood, rock, iron, steel, orchish, silver, dwarven, ebony and daedric covers most possibilities (wood and rock for cheap in the field crafting). Maaaaybe elven and mithril, but to me elven sounds more like a style, and mithril more like something only for armor (could replace glass on the light end). Maybe there will be new weapon materials adjusted for the setting, like crafting from mammoth tusks or dragon bone, who knows.

For armor, I think various furs and leathers (treatment based), then iron, steel (qualities), mithril, orchish, dwarden, ebony and daedric covers most possibilities, but maybe throw in dragonscale to suit the setting.

What I'm hoping, is using different materials for different styles wrt armor. I.e. many kinds of furs could be used for the same "fur'ish design". Leathers in different variant all used a common "leather design", some materials for classic "medieval design" and others for classic "elven design". And/or different "tribal designs".

Weapon styles *must* be culture based. Having one guy in a tribe/faction/whatever using a katana and another using a broadsword and a third using a viking mace, would clash badly. If this is civil war, let one side favor medieval style, the other side japanese (or asian) style, and some third side the viking style. Maybe the fact that someone is not carrying the "correct" style of weapon, is the reason you suspect him for being a traitor? Could be cool :P Maybe just the Blades use japanese (or asian) style? I don't want everything to be just "thrown in there and let's see what happens", although BGS haven't really disappointed lately with this.
User avatar
Lindsay Dunn
 
Posts: 3247
Joined: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:34 am

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 9:19 am

I'm psyched about the prospect of making weapons and armor, which means there will have to be several different types of materials. One of my great hopes is that there will be some distinction between different types of fur and leather as there is with the metals. When you kill an animal and fleece it (by grabbing the fur as you did in Oblivion) it already makes the distinction of what animal that fur came from. Now, in Oblivion that only determined the price you could fetch for it, but in Skyrim I hope it also determines the armor value of it. I want to be able to fleece a dragon and make myself some badass looking armor!

As for the styles of weapon and armor, I'm hoping there will be many many different molds/templates from which you can choose to make your gear. That combination would provide so many different looks it would be completely awesome! I would make a polar bear armor for winter time and a dragon hide armor for summer time =P
User avatar
rebecca moody
 
Posts: 3430
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:01 pm

Next

Return to V - Skyrim