Maybe Elder Maxson is Right

Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:15 pm

And make them want to kill us? As far as i've seen most just want to escape or to continue doing their job.
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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:12 am


True, but on the other hand we have also seen how easy they are to reprogram.

It's a tough choice, but in the end they aren't human. They have what was programmed into them as emotion, but all it takes is one group to reprogram them and you now have an army of Android that could assassinate anyone.
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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:49 am

Make who want to kill us? The goal is to exterminate all synths. There should be no sentient machine left to threaten us.

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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:19 am

I also note that the greatest risk for this 'Rise of the Synths' scenario, is after an Institute victory. All other factions, rather dramatically, destroy the means of Synth production.

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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:40 am


But the BoS are fully equipped with the most modern weaponry and armor available.

Between power armor which is impervious to practically all small arms fire, and combat armor which is very resistant to multiple types of weaponry the synths would find defeating the brotherhood difficult without being able to send an army of expendable synths at them.
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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:21 pm

Except the Synths can just reprogram Liberty Prime.

Father even says as much, "You know the best way to [censored] up the Brotherhood? Just reprogram their Doomsday weapon to kill them."

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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:37 am


But can they do so without the Institute backing them?
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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:00 am

It depends on what shape these independent Synths are in.

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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:12 am

Well, if that was the case, would it be wrong to do so?

Lets take a example and stretch it as far as it will go. Lets say that the Tiger, being as it is, over the next 100 years starts to develop superior intelligence to what it has now. Seeing for the first time the damage near extinction and domestication has caused it by humanity. As it starts to grow more intelligent and become a possible threat, not a known and actual threat. but a possibility of one. Are we justified in taking actions or precautions against it?

The Fallout world differs greatly from the real world. Humanity is top of the food chain here. Sure there are animals that can kill us, but there are no animals that can perceivably cause our extinction or downfall as the dominant species of the planet. The fallout world does not have that.

There are Super Mutants that no longer consider themselves human, they consider themselves more than human. With few exceptions to the rule, the Super Mutants consider us food and a threat. So is the reverse such a unexpected thing?

Now they have a new threat, the Synthetics. That conceivably could become as great, if not greater then the Super Mutants as a threat to humanity. Maxson's reaction in Fallout 4 doesn't surprise me so much at all. I'm not saying I agree with it. But again, this is a fictional universe where mankind has attempted to wipe itself off the map and has destroyed the world. Yeah, that reaction doesn't see so insane to me at all.

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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:49 am

Elder Maxon was entirely right, the Institute doesn't even argue this point. The instute believes humanities best hope is to create gen 3 synths that are better than human. Since they are fully synthetic (flesh and blood, no or few mechanical parts), they could be introduced into the breeding population. Eventually, their superior DNA would create superior offspring and thus 'save' humanity.

Elder Maxon believes this would destroy humanity.

They are both correct. These new breeds would appear, by all accounts, as humans. However, genetically, they are synthetic. This would bring about both the destruction and the rebirth of mankind. It's not a question of whether synths would eventually take over the world, its a question of whether that is right. And if it is, is it worth all the casualties?

The railroad lack intelligence (even if they might be my favorite faction). They believe in liberating synths, but many of them question whether this means Gen 1's and 2's, or just the Gen 3's. Deacon comments liberating the Gen 1's would be no different than liberating a protectron or security turret...Really theres no way of knowing if liberating Gen 3's is the morally right thing to do.

This is how Bethesda gets you. Unlike most storylines dealing with right/wrong where there is a clear distinction, it is not just difficult, but impossible to make a clear determination about what the right decision is. The game purposefully doesn't provide the player with enough information to know what the right decision is. Are the Gen 3's more human or more robot? You could speculate all day, but there's no information in the game that proves one or the other.

I speculate this is the exact reason Bethesda did away with Karma. Rather than starting a character and saying "I'm going to choose all the good options" bethesda lets you create an evil or good character. My evil character might side with the institute and yours might side with the BoS. My good character might side with the Minutemen and your good character might side with the institute. It's quite clever on Bethesda's part, definitely the best storyline of any game they've ever made (certainty better than Destiny + Dragons + Chosen by the gods + Kill main dragon = Skyrim, how original).

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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:45 am

What the BoS fails to realize, and in fact, WE may fail to realize in real life at some point is that androids don't HAVE to be human at all. They can just be a new species on their own and with such a level of awareness and intelligence, they can lead their own lives.

Yes, I am pro-android even if I may not get to see real ones in my lifetime.

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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:38 am

Hate to tell you, but not only will androids not be invented in our lifetime, but they probably won't ever be invented. The mechanics behind androids make no sense whatsoever.

I don't think that's what the BoS fails to realize. I think they're scared of that exactly. What do we do to deer? We hunt and eat them. We actually eat them at restaurants without even thinking about what it is we're eating. What about bugs, we kill them just for wandering into our house. We don't consider it morally wrong to kill another species. Look at dogs, everyone loves dogs. But we put dogs down when they get sick to put them out of their misery. Sounds like an act of kindness, but would you put a human down to put him out of his misery? It's quite clear that humans don't care about other species as much as they care about their own. Expecting the Synths to work with another species is almost exactly like expecting a human to work with a gorilla.

I think the question is, are these synths actually a different species, or just manufactured humans? Everyone's DNA is different, just because a synths is fabricated, does that mean they're not human? That's the question I think Bethesda intended us to ask.

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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:03 pm

Of course they don't, not to us. But in a couple hundred years when we're all bones and dust? Perhaps.

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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:05 am

No they don't.

Shaun expresses his contempt at the concept of transhumanism in his terminal and the idea of fusing "machine and technology" to be perverse.

He says the Institute is the only hope for humanity because they're not mutated the way topsiders are.

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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:57 am

While I do feel the Institute's tendency to churn out free-willed thralls is both dangerously irresponsible and ethically reprehensible, not to mention they have an inexcusable disregard for innocent lives, theBrotherhood I feel is in the wrong in wanting to wipe out synths for being humanlike and free-willed. Whatever sins their creators may bear, however unethical and unwise the production of synths may be, they deserve the same freedom and choices in life as anyone else in the Commonwealth.
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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:24 pm

Of course, the BOS would wipe out the Institute even if Synths didn't exist.

They represent a clear and present danger to the world due to their possession of SCIENCE!

LIKE BIG MOUNTAIN AND NCR!

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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:44 pm

To the mind of an average BOS member any technology they don't have is EVIL!!!! and must be destroyed if they can't take it, and they'd make any kind of flimsy justification for it.
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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:25 pm

Ah the "We must kill them before they kill us" doctrine.

Used by humans to commit genocide and start war since the beginning of time.....

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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:44 am

What do you do if Synths infiltrate and replace the leadership of the Brotherhood?

You guys are ignoring how nefarious Synths can be.

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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:48 am

You can do that with the current plastic surgery tech.

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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:21 am

Sure! But humans (mostly) don't want to wipe out humanity.

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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:08 am

Name one Synth who does.

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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:40 pm

Name one that doesn't resent being/having been a slave, besides Curie, who wasn't created into it.

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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:20 am

All the ones who choose to side with the Institute in the Railroad ending?

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Post » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:22 am

Uh, you didn't explore their story content very thoroughly, did you? They're actually fully aware their slaves and are tired of it -- but they find the alternative, being a life above ground, far worse.

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