I've yet to see any screen-shots with armor pieces that interchanged with different armor sets. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but I almost think they've made the armor the way it was in Fallout 3, where you don't get pieces of armor/outfits, but only full armor suits/outfits. If that's the case, you wouldn't be able to mix and match different types of armor... I think that would svck. Any thoughts?

I think TES is not Fallout.

yeah that would definitely svck.

True... there wasn't anywhere near as much armor in Fallout either.

well...all we have to go on is "I think"...


So I think with regards to this, its not worth getting worked up over until we actually KNOW that it is as feared.

I actually think there will be more armor customization.

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you.

I do believe Pete has said on Twitter that there will be more than just two pieces of armor in Skyrim.

I think it would be nice to mix stuff up, but it's not something I would say is very important.

Trust no one!

They are making an Elder Scrolls game, not Fallout.

Todd Howard confirmed, I think in the interview with GI, that they will not be going with the Fallout way of making armor. They will stick to the way it's done in past TES games. If I can find the video where he says this, I'll link it in this post.

True, but some of the all-in-one armours started to appear in the Shivering Isles, such as the Dark Seducer and Golden Saint armours that the player could acquire; that said, they weren't absolutely the first since the arena armour and DB outfits were also single items IIRC, but it's easy to worry that after what we saw in the subsequent FO games using the same engine, perhaps a precedent was being set.

But, I'm good at worrying, and given the widespread dissatisfaction with Oblivion's lack of being able to wear clothes under armour and no pauldrons (!!!) hopefully my worries are unfounded.

check out my thread on that http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1177079-equipping-armor/

I think, if I was a game developer and wanted to have pretty screenshots, I wouldn't use some sort of patchwork armor to demonstrate how pretty stuff is. It really doesn't make much sense to even "kinda-sorta" think they would do that, it'd just be stupid not bright.

Take a look at the Oblivion screenshots. We know that the armour were in parts and not a set there, yet they only used the same armour together for the pics.

Why? Because it looks good... Maybe someone should ask Todd to get a pic out there where they combine the elvenish armour with the barbarianish armour just for giggles? And to ease the crowd?

In terms of Fallout, That precedent was set nearly 15 years ago with Fallout 1. There is something weird thinking that BGS will change something in a future game by not changing something in a older game. If you want precedent, they change this sort of stuff at every numbered release. And that is likely to continue imo, the likelihood of getting a duplicate F3 armor slot system is kind of slim.

even though I think armor in F3 had more biped slots than Ob did< but most were not set up to to have armor rating or any effect and were used solely for equipping extra geometry. ie: eyeglasses, hat, mask, earing, body, l/R gloves(yes they are separate in F3!) armor addon 1-3, backpack etc. The only thing they need to do is change them to actual armor entries instead of armor addon entries and you'd have the ability to add weight, enchant, armor rating etc

The base system is still there in F3 and much better than was in Ob/MW. even though that matters little as they can just add or remove any biped/armor slot really quite easily. And there is a new engine.. so who the f' knows

This is not even worthy of a response. Its obvious form the screens this is not the case. Pay better attention.

I'd say it's way too early to be conclusive, but he screens to me show pretty extensive options. But to be fair, I want to see extensive options, so I'm far from unbiased...

I think armor customization is a huge part of ES, but that said, I spent a vast majority of my playtime in either Dark Brotherhood armor or Raiment of the Crimson Scar, because they looked awesome, and they were full body outfits. Wouldn't stop me from playing the game if they went to this model, but I wouldn't be happy.

I had mixed feelings about the FO3/FNV system; in a way I liked the addon system that could be superseded with additional bits of armour, e.g. the tops and bottoms could be separated with a default bottom if no others were being worn, though I thought there was a very fine line between "nice functionality" and "over-complicated". But the onus was on the end-user to roll their own using GECK and Blender, only to find that others had decided on a conflicting way of doing things! Anyway, you're right in that the engine itself supported much more than the game suggested, though the same was true of Oblivion's scaling system which was actually far more powerful than you'd think considering the way it had been used.

Hopefully this is mostly irrelevant, however; from my perspective FO3/FNV were very TES-like in that a lot of what we'd seen in Oblivion had carried over, but it's easy for people like me who weren't former FO players to forget that most of the design decisions would have come from that franchise rather than indicating the direction TES might be taking.

yeah yeah,

I think F3 is very oblivion-esque is a lot of respects. A lot more so than close to fallout1&2! I am pretty sure the single armor slot is one of the few carry overs from the previous games. As you know... the system under hood is much more versatile than the game suggests.

It's still VERY Ob. Especially under the hood.. well it's to be expected to a lot of degree, same engine, same creation tool, same art/dev team, same a lot of things. I kinda said as much by pointing out the OB slot system is still kinda in there, at least in spirit. tbh I don't think it is total logic fail to assume that is the definite case of things, F3 did happen to be BGS last game after all, and from knowing whats happened in the past few BGS games and how they have changed and what carried over, I don't expect F3 in game at all. but the creation kit and under the hood will probably be organised a little more like F3 than Ob. yeah minor differences. things like the improved landscape LOD algorithm from F3, and the geo culling features, all that kind of tech will return, but better.

We've only seen Leather, Dovahkiin Armor, and Elven. As far as PR goes, it's not really useful to show a disjointed piecemeal armor set. I'm also fairly certain it's said somewhere, in direct response to armor sets "This isn't a Fallout game, so what works there doesn't necessarily work in The Elder Scrolls".

That said, I have heard that each race has had armor specially made to fit their now-unique shapes. That's a circumstantial piece of evidence for "Whole suits", but by no means a confirmation either way. According to the IGN interview though, there's more Armor and weapons, and more styles, than Oblivion. Not surprising with the small army they've assembled.

Here's the exact quote as it appears in the interview

Why wouldn't Bound Armor work exactly the same as it did in Oblivion? Buy a spell for Bound Gloves. Cast it. Poof! Gloves!


(disclaimer - I've never actually used any of the Bound spells in MW or OB, because they seemed kind of odd, really. I just wore actual armor & weapons. :shrug:)