I'll be using my mouse and keyboard for sure, but given my experience with TES games, (I tend to play for long periods at a time) and despite more control, mouse and keyboard can get draining over time, so I'll for sure be switching between mouse and keyboard and 360 controller. Nothing wrong with that.

I play Oblivion on PC with mouse and keyboard, and though I agree that a mouse can give you more precision, I think that this type of game can be pretty easily played with controller (maybe only aiming with a bow is harder, I don't know). Personally, I think I would prefer the controller, it's just more comfortable.

Because I like to torture myself so much I have played Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Dragon Age:Origins (since you mentioned it) on both console and PC. For the Bethesda games: it's easier for hotkeys, aiming ranged spells, and bows on PC, but the console controllers are workable with as long as you don't feel picky about not having every spell, weapon, or armor that you use mapped to a hotkey. Other than that I think it mostly falls under personal preference, and finances.



As I mentioned above, sometimes it just comes down to finances. I'm lucky if I can afford to get at least one new game, $50-60 US, much less spend roughly $600 on a new processor, video card, and RAM just so I can play Skyrim on low settings on PC. As much as I would love to play Skyrim on PC, right now console is the cheaper option, and I am sure I am not the only one like this.

sorry but even if you gave me a mouse and keyboard that worked with my xbox360 id still use the controller...

Just plug an USB keyboard, you'll see it works already. It's damn useful when you have to type some text or numbers if you have one close at hand.

Finally started? MW was out for Xbox...

But really, if you want the keyboard and mouse combo, you're going to need to go PC. The only reason I can see even wanting to go that route is loads of presets - but I don't use that many anyhow, from what I have seen of the favorites list, that will do just fine. I even think it's going to be a bit odd for PC users, handling two weapons/spells/whatever with the mouse. I guess we'll see closer to release, and of course there are mice now with 10 or more buttons on them...

Why do you want a keyboard and mouse, then? I'm not feeling as though you really answered that in this post. You are not going to be, as you stated above for a reason, RPing in this game with other people, so that nixes that point...

Oblivion was fine for bow and arrow with the controller, I don't see Skyrim being worse somehow.

I think both mouse ,keyboard and controllers are good,they both do their job. I'll blame the worker's ,not the tools.

If I had the option to use a mouse and keyboard for skyrim on my xbox i would use it.

Whats with the "lol, wouldn't work on my coffee table1!11!!" ?
You could always move the console... oops sorry that's going a little more out of the box than your used to.

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Yes, this idea that keyboard isn't in a console players's "comfort zone" doesn't really make sense. I sit at a PC all day at work. When I come home, I want to lounge on my sofa and use a controller. I don't become a different human being in the process.

I agree that there are times when a keyboard would be useful for the console, mind, but I would think that voice recognition software will probably be geared towards filling that gap.

Erm... not sure you've really got the point that was being made there.

You can build a PC that can play Skyrim with the same graphics settings as a PS3 or 360 for the same price as a PS3 or 360. Maxing out a game is well above and beyond what consoles are capable of.

For the $$$/graphics discussion: If you would have bought a PC in 2005 that still would be able to play Skyrim (even as previously stated on "console quality"), that PC would have been f*****g expensive. Sure, you can buy a cheap machine and upgrade it now and again to be able to play every game, but the money stacks up and the consoles price will at the end of the concoles life cycle just be a fraction of the PC's. Sure the PC have a lot of other advantages, such as modding, and you can connect it to the TV and connect a controller and play a game like a console if you wanted to, but as far as I'm concerned, it's the final pricetag that's the problem. Furthermore in my experience (And I've run a IT-company and built numerious custom PCs for myself and other people), people tend to have a lot more problems with the PC. Not because it's worse, but because of the people. People make PC's crach and files going poof. It's their actions that cause it and on the console they aren't able to since they just have access to the games. :brokencomputer:

For the keyboard/mouse discussion: first of all, if you get a good optical mouse, you can sit layed back in the sofa with the keyboard in your lap and the mouse on the sofa. I usually play diablo 2 like that at home second of all: there is a market for the keyboard/mouse combo for the consoles. A know a lot of people that hates fps-games on consoles because of the lack of the mouse. If you could edit the controls, I can see a lot of people using it for rpg games as well. Most games nowadays don't allow editing of the controls except for maybe a couple of pre-defined setups, but that would be an easy fix for the developers, just throw in a couple of variables and they're set. I don't see a game having the keyboard/mouse setup as neccessary though since a lot of people don't like it and choose the console in order to play games that were made for the controllers.

I see this didn't take long to turn into a platform war...

I'd much rather them ship like a Skyrim mouse pad and sountrack

If you want high settings, you must upgrade. Sorry, that's how cruel is life

Maybe it's me, but I get the feeling that people these days wants EVERYTHING...they want a keyboard + mouse to be included with the game, highest settings even on low spec systems....life doesn't work like that, you know. You cannot have everything you want. And the more quality stuff you want, the more money and/or effort you must put into it.



I don't have the bills right now, but I guess 700 + 200 = 900 bucks aprox, monitor included. It's more expensive than a console? Yes. TERRIBLY more expensive, as some people think? Not so much. What was the price of a 360/PS3 back then? And how old and primitive is their hardware compared to my Phenom II x4 2,8, 4 GB of RAM, and a GTX 560 Ti 1 GB OC 950/1900/4580?

I find Console Controllers for the type of RPG's Bethesda makes actually much more comfortable. The two chief sacrifices I notice from Mouse+Keyboard are Turning Speed and Hotkeys. Aim Precision isn't particularly an issue for The Elder Scrolls games as there is no distinction between a Head Shot and a Toe-shot.

That said, I always wondered why, particularly with the Xbox360 that does support the Mouse+Keyboard for Messenger functions, why it could never be worked in for games.

Actually, I wonder if the PC version will have hooks for controllers. I have an Xbox360 and PS3 controller that work great with my computer for various other PC games, if Skyrim had that in the PC version, then PC users could have mouse, keyboard and the controllers with little hand vibrator.

Almost forgot to mention...those who want keyboard and mouse for their Xbox360/PS3, get an RF keyboard & mouse. No cords, great range, and if you don't need them, just put them away. I usually only take out the keyboard when I have to type a lot, such as when I'm chatting...It's really clunky to type using the controller.

You know why in FPS games, console players don't play in the same server as PC players?

Mouse and keyboard is unquestionably better for First person games while the controller is infinitely superior for fighting games. TES is a first person game.

Also, keyboard allows you access to the command console to use the ever helpful TCL command.

as far as i can tell, the only benefit for me would be typing... and what have i got to type? my name... anything else? possibly enchanted weapons... i can live without it.... controller is far more comfortable thana mouse and keyboard, lets me sit wherever i want and be more comfortable when i play..... ive used my laptop while sitting on the sofa and used a mouse with it (mouse on the seat beside me) and it is awkward and uncomfortable.... no thanks... controller for me when i play skyrim, even if there are options

This post I couldnt agree more to, except the OP prob never meant to get the key-board/mouse anything else but an alternative control, however, who wants to sit hunched like that playing console on a tv, like you sad, no one, the minority that would wouldnt be close to enough to make it beneficial, getting a keyboard/mouse as the CE would be an insult.

Personally I am going to buy a brand new PC for Skyrim, because of the graphics and mods, however I will hook it up to my TV and play it with a 360 controller, that is the best experience. I use to hate controllers and be all about mouse and keyboard, but after years of honing my controller skills, I simply cant deny all the benefits that a mouse and keyboard lack, yes the mouse has better accuracy, but it's even too damn easy and takes zero skill, a mouse is a point and click tool, I feel like a baby using it for gaming, I use inverted Y-axis on the control an the stick moves and acts like the head of my character in 1st and 3rd person, much better feeling and you can get so close to mouse accuracy with some skill and sensitive stick. The keyboard has got more buttons yes, but it is inferior in it's layout and cant compete when it comes to the accuracy of adjusting speed and moving distance like you can with the stick on a controller, it has every speed available, a keyboard can just set speeds from 0-100 without nothing inbetween basically, to sneak and sprint and everything inbetween you need to toggle, with the controller it's all about how much you move the stick, sometimes you need to press it, but it's basically all just one unit controlling all speed and movement, when on a keyboard you use like 8-10 buttons, you're better off using your fingers for other stuff. I'll never ruin a game like Skyrim with a keyboard.

Maybe you didn't...

Hopefully this discussion won't devolve into one of those dumb PC vs console wars (in this case mouse/keyboard vs console controller)... Because it really doesn't matter who wins (and neither side would probably win), both parties engaging in the squabble are just idiots. Just use whatever is best for you.

Sample lameness: "OMG my controller iz da bestest! \o/ LOLOLOL!" "No keyboard and mouse so good! NEVER can beat keyboard and mouse! K THX, BAI."


gamesas'd probably never put in a keyboard/mouse though, it'd make the packaging even more unwieldy, add weight costs to distribution and shipping to the end user. And they'd have to add more to the retail cost which would price it out of range that most people would be willing to pay.

Part of the reason why I play mainly on PS3 is because of the controller. It's perfect for me and is very comfortable to use. I love relaxing on the sofa with my feet up, controller in hands and Oblivion (soon to be Skyrim) playing on a big TV.