Memory Patch and CTD Implications : V

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:02 am

If you're running the latest version of SKSE and have the memory patch activated and you get a random CTD but you aren't hitting your limits on either block in MemoryBlocksLog.log, what can be deduced from this?

Is it possible to rule out certain kinds of causes like texture mods or memory leaks?

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:15 am

Have you used http://boss-developers.github.io/ or http://loot.github.io/ to sort your load order ???

If your mods are badly ordered it can cause problems. !!!

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:11 pm

Thank you, Mark41, but that's not the answer to the question I asked.

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:22 pm

Not much really. There are a number of reasons why you could be crashing.

What mods are you using? Best to post a load order. A dxdiag could help also.

Use spoiler tags. The button is on the bottom row of the edit buttons. Just to the left of the justification buttons.

Best way to determine if textures are causing the crash is to get rid of them and try the game. A memory leak eats up your RAM until bad things start to happen. Skyrim doesn't have memory leaks in the base game.

THis is a mod issue likely.

What Mark posted is also very relevant.

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:54 am

Like it was stated if you are not near the memory cap aka aprox 3.2 gigs then it is likely an issue with a mod or mods.

It could still be a texture mod not installed correctly.

Load Order of mods will have a barring especially when you have quite a few mods running.

Could be that you are near or passed the max number of pluggins that can be run.

Could be a mod was not updated correctly if it was updated.

Some mods are script intensive and possibly the mod might have had a hiccup with a script.

Installing mod manually or with mod manager does make difference. Some mods might not be designed to be used directly with a mod manager or requires one to be used. If the mod is not designed for Nexus Mod Manager to be used then NMM might not have installed all of the required files in the correct spot so that means the plugins are in the right spot but it might be missing the data files or some of them. It might not mean a crash will happen but it is more likely and having other issues.

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:22 am

Ini edits or not cleaning dirty mods, Bashed Patch and mod load order. Weak PC system, uninstalling mods and continuing that save.

A lot of reasons for CTD's.

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:08 am

I always crash. Its a silent CTD. occurs anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour into a play session.

I've tried almost everything. Been modding for 10 years, this game gives me fits.

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:46 pm

More information and we might be able to help out.

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:53 am

Something is going wrong with your mods, then. Incompatibilities perhaps. !!!

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:49 am

I also use Texture Pack Combiner and Kountervibe ENB

No OC on my CPU which is an i7

GTX 980 no OC

Fast SSD

Win7 64bit

SSME set

Had the same problems with my 290x and 7970 before that

Everything sorted by LOOT

Mods cleaned

I've used Skyrim Performance Monitor and am not even close to the VRAM cap for my card ( 4GB ) in fact I havent gone over 3GB. Ram usage is not high either

Since switching to the GTX 980 I have been using ugrids 7 but will try ugrids 5.

Below is my ENB local and mod list.

I need all the help I can get

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[MEMORY]//[KYO : Set SizeMb accordingly to VRAM + RAM - 2048 amounts, uGridsToLoad a/o Textures amount - 1024 / 1280 set for 3GB-4GB GPUs, 16-24 GB RAM, UGridsToLoad=5]ExpandSystemMemoryX64=trueReduceSystemMemoryUsage=true;Both work below for Pre-0.204DisableDriverMemoryManager=true;DisableDriverMemoryManager=falseDisablePreloadToVRAM=false;EnableUnsafeMemoryHacks=true;EnableUnsafeMemoryHacks=false;;ReservedMemorySizeMb=128;ReservedMemorySizeMb=256;uGridsToLoad=7 a/o More Textures;ReservedMemorySizeMb=512;w/ uGridsToLoad=7ReservedMemorySizeMb=768;w/ uGridsToLoad=7 w/0.201 - 2nd 6 - .202 -.204;ReservedMemorySizeMb=1024;w/ uGridsToLoad=5;ReservedMemorySizeMb=1280;ReservedMemorySizeMb=1536;ReservedMemorySizeMb=1792;;VideoMemorySizeMb=4096;VideoMemorySizeMb=2048;VideoMemorySizeMb=3968;VideoMemorySizeMb=3072VideoMemorySizeMb=8192;;VideoMemorySizeMb=26624;;Or VRAM + RAM - 2048 = 24576 + 4096 in my case so 26624;Or a little below so 16384 + 4096 - 2048 = 18432;26624;EnableCompression=trueAutodetectVideoMemorySize=false

Active Mod Files:

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00  Skyrim.esm01  Update.esm02  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.6]03  Dawnguard.esm04  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.6]05  HearthFires.esm06  Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.6]07  Dragonborn.esm08  Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.6]09  Falskaar.esm0A  Cutting Room Floor.esp  [Version 1.0.9]0B  TheEyesOfBeauty.esp  [Version 9]0C  SkyUI.esp0D  iHUD.esp0E  EnhancedLightsandFX.esp0F  Requiem.esp10  Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp11  SMEssentialPlayer.esp12  ELFX - Exteriors.esp13  Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp  [Version 2.3]14  SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp15  SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp16  SkyFalls + SkyMills Falskaar.esp17  RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp18  Dead Body Collision.esp19  dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp1A  GrassOnSteroids_NaturalEdition_Vanilla.esp1B  Customizable Camera.esp1C  BetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.esp1D  SMEssentialPlayerDawnGuard.esp1E  FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp1F  Dr_BandolierDG.esp20  Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp21  Differently Ebony.esp22  AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp23  Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp24  AOS.esp25  WetandCold.esp26  RealisticWaterTwo.esp27  Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp28  RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp29  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp2A  AOS2_EBT Patch.esp2B  AOS2_RealisticWaterTwo Patch.esp2C  AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp2D  Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp2E  Requiem - Unofficial Patches and Dborn.esp2F  Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp  [Version v6.5.2a]30  Requiem - SIC Patch.esp31  Requiem - SIC Patch - ARMOR .esp32  Requiem - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp33  ELFXEnhancer.esp34  Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp  [Version v6.5.2a]35  Tamriel Reloaded Mountains.esp36  RevampedExteriorFog.esp37  Dr_Bandolier.esp38  BetterQuestObjectives.esp39  Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp3A  DawnofWhiterun.esp3B  RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp3C  BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp3D  DawnofWindhelm.esp3E  BetterQuestObjectives-RequiemPatch.esp3F  Requiem-Immersive Armors.esp40  Requiem - Guard Dialogue Overhaul Patch.esp41  AOS2_Requiem1.7.3 Patch.esp42  aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp43  Requiem - Resources.esp44  Cloaks.esp45  RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp46  tos_amber_guard.esp47  Chesko_Frostfall.esp48  CUYC_CleanUpYourCorpses.esp49  fantasy music overhaul.esp4A  Hunterborn.esp4B  Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp4C  Hunterborn_Requiem-Patch.esp4D  RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp4E  BlockSparkles.esp4F  Prometheus_NSUTR Falskaar Dock.esp  [Version 2.3]50  Requiem - Cloaks.esp51  AOS2_GDO Patch.esp52  Disabled Cell Boundaries.esp53  Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp  [Version 2.5.2]54  Requiem for the Indifferent.esp55  ASIS-Dependency.esp56  ASIS.esp

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:48 pm

I think it is the ugrids at 7. The game was designed around ugrids at 5.

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:34 pm

I've only been using ugrids 7 for 2 weeks. The past 2 years i've been at 5. Silent CTD regardless.

I am using onboard Realtek Sound but have the sound set to 16bit 44.1

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:29 am

Does it happen with a new game with no mods enabled or just with the unofficial patches and have the ugrids set back to 5.

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:27 pm

In addition......

have you checked the event viewer for anything? Might be nothing but worth a shot.

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:17 pm

It's been a while since I tested without mods. If I recall it was always stable. I could run around for an hour with speedmult set to 500 and not crash.

But as you can see my mod list is relatively modest.

I will test at 5 grids and check the event viewer and report back.

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:16 pm

Aside from lowering your performance and maybe causing potential instability to your game, because to the greatly increased resource usage when raising uGrids, if you save a game after you have altered this value,

the new value will be implemented into your saved game.

Meaning, if you lower your uGrids again, you won't be able to load up the saves which used the higher value. !!!

If you don't do it correctly, you will get a crash. !!!!

Reverting to an earlier uGrid value is not that easy as you thing.

Just follow those steps, and you will be fine.

Start Skyrim and load up a saved game.
Use ALT+TAB to switch out of Skyrim and back to your Desktop.
Edit the Skyrim.ini file as normal, modifying the uGridsToLoad variable to the desired lower value. Save Skyrim.ini and close it.
Use ALT+TAB to switch back to Skyrim.
Open the Command Console using the tilde ~ key and type refreshini.
Save your game to a new save slot, and it should now have the correct new uGridsToLoad value.

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:38 am

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/41592/?

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:46 am

If it works for you, you are fine...then. http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?s=55b2e4a308598b14fd45a0766a949048&&app=forums&module=extras§ion=legends#

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:54 pm

I wasn't referring to the instability ugrids can cause. I'm with ya on that. I was referring to all the mumbo jumbo you posted about switching ugrids mid game. The mod I linked takes care off that.

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:28 pm

Maybe for you, but not for other people out there !!!

Users Comments about this patch:

Spoiler

I Have a Problem with this SKSE Plugin.
After activating the mod i'm not able to see static buildings like runis, or Whiterun from a distance where you normaly should see it. i tried to set uGrids up to 11 or 13 but this leads to AI spawns in an additional range, which hurts my performance. Another example would be the ruin, which locates the golden claw early in the game, i'm not able to see it if i stand in Riverwood.

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I'm afraid this plugin doesn't work for me.
I had ugrids set to 7 in the ini. I started the game, loaded a save, and tried to change it to 9 from the console. Instant CTD.
Then I tried setting ugrids to default in the ini and load the game. CTD.

Same here, came to check for a solution, going to give it a try again. After the CTD I checked my INI to find that it was not changed.
I.E 5 did not change to 7.

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On an otherwise unmodded game with no ini tweaks, this script causes large amounts of stutter on cell load, even when uGridsToLoad is set to 5. This often causes CTD when these stutters occur. With this mod removed I have no issues.

Honestly it's no issue for me, I was using this as a fail-safe, but I'm sure other people who would utilize this have similar issues.

I can confirm this small stutter. Happens every time I travel across Skyrim. I don't remember having it before this mod.

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I still CTD at Windhelm stables just as I turn my camera to face the bridge. Even after altering the uGridsToLoad back to 5 and finished the Civil War questline. I don't crash when I am inside the city.

Going to try a new game and fast travel directly to Windhelm stables and see what happens.

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Installing this mod (using NMM) caused my skyrim to crash on attempting to load a saved game. This crash persisted even after uninstalling it. im running ugrids7 and 64 cell buffer.

I don't post more...

There are different systems with different mod configurations...bla..bla..bla...

So that mod is not a 100 percent remedy for that particularly problem we are talking here.

What i have suggested earlier above,...IS. !!!

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:11 pm

Apologies. I just assumed it was mumbo jumbo because there aren't any facts, just anecdotal references.

After all, this is a Bethesda modding experience

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:10 pm

That's not from me. That's from Nvidia actually - if you believe it or not !!!

Here is the link: http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-tweak-guide#14

May you want to take a look. I would bookmark it, if i were you. :tongue:

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Nothing to apologize. Maybe i wasn't clear enough. Sorry... :wink:

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:18 pm

I just switched to Nvidia so I'm all about that guide.

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:09 am

Some mods might have been removed or have been replaced with something else. Also one of the Skyrim patches did fix some of the issues related to 64 bit operating system

» Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:14 am

Yeah. I was trying to make a bad joke about the cell stabilizer. It all comes back to the stabilizer...