Men and Ayleids : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:09 pm

Before we go around calling the Adabal-a exxagerated, remember who its author is. Does Morihaus the demi god have any reason to lie? You don't need to break Godwin's Law to find real-life examples of vileness in recent history, and that's to our own species, not an Other who is fundamentally wrong-headed pvssyl.

And besides, the sources don't claim that the worst of abuses were institutionalized throughout the whole of Cyrodiil. Imperium Saliache was a collection of city states, after all, and possibly as diverse as the human tribes they enslaved.

If it's anyone's fault, it's the Nords who ravaged the North and caused the repressions (against non-Atmorans) in the South to begin with.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:55 am

no, not really. people nowdays have more admiration (or so it seems, based on KotN) for him that men did back in the day, his massacres and genocides have been forgiven and hes seen as a white knight who rescued them from the ayleid oppression.

Pelinal gained notoriety and hero status for helping to free the nedes and being an all around hardcoe dude (lazer canon for an arm? check!) his Pogroms werent all that popular, but people saw them as a means to an end. when youre fighting a revolution you cant refuse demigod help just because hes a wee bit unstable.

There's also the fact that he's insane, and that if anyone said anything bad about him (be it an Elve or a man) he'd literally skin you alive (or, if you praised him as the Shezzarine, you'd be suffocated by Moths); then on top of that he had an extremly bloody death being cut into eigths while still alive (and shortly alive afterwards if you beleive his head actually managed to survive, which ofcourse is true because it's just too cool) by the Ayleid Sorceror Kings, which may aswell be taken as payback for his warcrimes.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:54 pm

There's also the fact that he's insane, and that if anyone said anything bad about him (be it an Elve or a man) he'd literally skin you alive (or, if you praised him as the Shezzarine, you'd be suffocated by Moths); then on top of that he had an extremly bloody death being cut into eigths while still alive (and shortly alive afterwards if you beleive his head actually managed to survive, which ofcourse is true because it's just too cool) by the Ayleid Sorceror Kings, which may aswell be taken as payback for his warcrimes.

Basically, if you really wanted to be maddness, forget the Scottish comedian Sheogorath, turn your worship to that crazy mofo, and start wiping every being you see in your utter fit of insanity.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:36 pm

If they were so extremely evil why haven't they built up and attacked the empire?

It's kinda hard to do that when you factor in:
a) higher birthrates of men compared to mer
B) thousands of hairy nords with axes swooping down south
c) Pelinal, enough said

As for a counterattack, it's quite clear Alessia/Maruhk was effective, seeing as how the Ayleids went from a diverse citystate structure to paltry tribal entities that make the ashlanders look like Daggerfall. We don't even know if the tribes even exist anymore.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:27 pm

Pelinal Is a just a Psychotic Maniac.
I want to join Umrail plz

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:38 pm

Pelinal Is a just a Psychotic Maniac.
I want to join Umrail plz

You want to completely cease to exist in any realm?

So be it.

*charging mah lazer*

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:17 am

I personally think the Imperial's were kinda unfair, the Ayleid's ruled Cyrodill and the Imperial's make out the Ayleids most of the time as the bad guy's when they were the one's who invaded the Ayleids first.
What do you think?.
And DON'T say that if we hadn't invaded them we wouldn't of had this games history, etc etc.

the alyeids enslaved humanity.
It was a rebellion if I remember correctly.
EDIT- beaten like an alyeid slave.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:53 am

You want to completely cease to exist in any realm?

So be it.

*charging mah lazer*

Better than following Pelnial the Homicidal Maniac.
Okay, enough jokes, both umrail and pelnail were bad in their own rights, but Pelnial at least tried to help others, even if it involved the countless death of innocents..

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:35 am

Maybe I'm missing something here, but where exactly does it say Pelinal killed innocents? All I see in his deathcount is a bunch of Ayleid kings in organized single combat and the entire Imperial City garrison...and Umaril.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:30 am

What is it about those lasers that makes people forget Shor?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:09 pm

Better than following Pelnial the Homicidal Maniac.
Okay, enough jokes, both umrail and pelnail were bad in their own rights, but Pelnial at least tried to help others, even if it involved the countless death of innocents..

Pelinal tried to help his own people by the countless deaths of innocents, the Ayleid Sorceror King probably tried to help his own people by enslaving the Imperials, Pelinal's own people. All in all it kinda balances itself out...

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:00 am

Maybe I'm missing something here, but where exactly does it say Pelinal killed innocents? All I see in his deathcount is a bunch of Ayleid kings in organized single combat and the entire Imperial City garrison...and Umaril.

theres a story about him killing thousands of khajiit because he thought they looked elven :toughninja:

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:11 pm

Pelinal tried to help his own people by the countless deaths of innocents, the Ayleid Sorceror King probably tried to help his own people by enslaving the Imperials, Pelinal's own people. All in all it kinda balances itself out...

I've never really thought of Pelinal as having a people. He's as much of an alien as Umaril, and not obviously related to friendly deities like Morihaus.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:11 pm

Pelinal tried to help his own people by the countless deaths of innocents, the Ayleid Sorceror King probably tried to help his own people by enslaving the Imperials, Pelinal's own people. All in all it kinda balances itself out...

But the Nede's weren't Pelinal's own people; Pel was from the future (time paradox causes madness?). I haven't read the KotN books in a while - does it ever state why Pel stuck around and tried to kill off the Ayleids? Aside from having some "quality time" with Alessia on the side... or was is Morihaus having the special relationship with Alessia?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:30 am

I always thought that part of his back story was meant as a nod to the Terminator series..maybe he's supposed to be Kyle Reese, saving mankind from extinction?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:35 pm

theres a story about him killing thousands of khajiit because he thought they looked elven :toughninja:

Trust naught in the xenos.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:16 am

But the Nede's weren't Pelinal's own people; Pel was from the future (time paradox causes madness?). I haven't read the KotN books in a while - does it ever state why Pel stuck around and tried to kill off the Ayleids? Aside from having some "quality time" with Alessia on the side... or was is Morihaus having the special relationship with Alessia?

He's a gift from Kyne, and Alessia's (platonic) servant.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:01 am

He's a gift from Kyne, and Alessia's (platonic) servant.

I hear he was quite the bull though...things happen ya know..passions overflow. ; )

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:59 am

He's a gift from Kyne, and Alessia's (platonic) servant.

So, wait, Kyne can reach into the future, pluck out some cyber dude, and chuck him in the past? :blink: Why am I getting deja vu? Oh, yes, because it reminds me of so many sci-fi time-travelling episodes...

Actually, that's pretty cool, given that this is the TES universe.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:19 am

Morihaus, your son, mighty and snorting, gore-horned, winged, when next he flies down, let him bring us anger." ... [And then] Kyne granted Perrif another symbol, a diamond soaked red with the blood of elves, [whose] facets could [un-sector and form] into a man whose every angle could cut her jailers and a name: PELIN-EL [which is] "The Star-Made Knight" [and he] was arrayed in armor [from the future time]. And he walked into the jungles of Cyrod already killing, Morihaus stamping at his side froth-bloody and bellowing from excitement because the Pelinal was come... [and Pelinal] came to Perrif's camp of rebels holding a sword and mace, both encrusted with the smashed viscera of elven faces, feathers and magic beads, which were the markings of the Ayleidoon, stuck to the redness that hung from his weapons, and he lifted them, saying: "These were their eastern chieftains, no longer full of their talking."

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:30 am

So, wait, Kyne can reach into the future, pluck out some cyber dude, and chuck him in the past? :blink: Why am I getting deja vu? Oh, yes, because it reminds me of so many sci-fi time-travelling episodes...

Actually, that's pretty cool, given that this is the TES universe.

He's not just a cyborg from the future, he's an alien cyborg from the future. An insane genocidal alien cyborg from the future, who's best friend is a flying bull.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:20 am

The idea of slaughtering entire populations in the name of a god is hardly new. Even in the Bible it's happened.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:37 pm

And future generations form the dubious habit of revering the one who did it.

all history is obliged to see me for what you are: in love with evil.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:52 am

And future generations form the dubious habit of revering the one who did it.

Well, if they believe it was instructed by a higher power who defines "right" and "wrong" then why would they possibly go against it?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:52 pm

And here I thought the Aedra couldn't do squat except need me to rescue them (Morrowind). So where did Kyne get the power to insert an alien-cyborg-future man + bull companion into a kapla to go kill the Ayleids? Why does Kyne hate the Ayleids, but not the other elvish races? Why don't the Aedra do more stuff like this more often?