Oh, yes. People who don't accept weirdos are idiots. :rolleyes:

Tolerance does not equal acceptance.

It's not a straw-man argument at all, actually. Just think about it a little.

A LGBT person has more or less two choices in regard to their sixual orientation: stay in the closet or express their sixuality and try to find a person to love. In many countries around the world LGBT people are forced to stay in the closet because the social conditions of their country frown upon, or outright outlaw / ban, LGBT activities / being out. Thus, LGBT people who express themselves can suffer serious consequences for expressing (a choice) who they are, or they can suffer equally by hiding what they are (again, a choice). There is no straw man argument here. I may be taking the argument (expression) to a logical extreme, but it is entirely consistent regarding the current discussion of expressing oneself within a society - whether it is non-gender-conforming clothing or choosing to express what you feel inside.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EdinburghModelKilt.JPG!

Hardly feminine, is it?

Like I said:

• you're wearing what you're comfortable in and
  
  
• it does immediate idiot-filtering for you, i.e. if someone looks at you funny or mocks you or whatever you immediately know that it's best to avoid that person. Instead of befriending him/her and only then finding out that he/she is an idiot.

Like FP said in what you quoted:

I know I don't.


No, people who think someone's a weirdo just because he or she doesn't conform to the completely arbitrary memes of their society (such as skirts being exclusively female clothing) are idiots.

I bolded the main part...


Yeah i would think its odd, but I wouldnt try and stop them.

@fallen paladin also look at it this way whos the least manly the guy in the skirt, or the guy who got beat up by the guy in the skirt ?

It's a free country, you can wear what you want.

I can't agree with you. The modern skirt was designed as a woman's garment to do two things. 1) Provide a good piece of clothing for fast dancing and 2) To show off a woman's legs.

Thus, they are NOT men's apparel. And thus a man that wears skirts, or any womans' clothing, is a weirdo.

Just don't make excuses for being a cross dresser...
Almost as bad as wearing a thong in public because you are homeless.

...Wow. Just, wow. Did someone seriously just take my simple opinion of "Non-conformity isn't always the best option" and blow it up into something racist?

*Sigh*

I'm done arguing guys. This is getting far too overblown and ridiculous for me. The sad thing is, I know from past experiences that leaving in the middle of arguments on this forum makes people think you're mad or something, but honestly, after that comment, I just give up. Just... ugh.

Weird is an oppinion, I find other cultures weird, dosent mean they are, they probabally find mine weird.
@biomedmechstudent I disagree most of society has no problem with interracial relationships, aside from the racists/supremisists but they are against all things not their race, society dosent hate interracial relationships at all.

Im not saying anything is racist. Its about conforming and doing whatever you want. About not being scared.

LOL

They were not made with the intention of being men's apparel, which doesn't mean that some guy who finds wearing a skirt comfortable and decides to wear one is a weirdo. Have you never used something in the way it wasn't intended to be used in? If you've ever been in a pillow fight, for example, by your definition you're a weirdo because pillows weren't made to be used like that.

But even if you don't accept that argument, there are skirts which are made to be worn by men.

Doesn't mean they aren't, either. We wen't over this at the other forum.


Ah, but pillows can be legitimately used for multiple purposes. Sleeping, forts, and clubs. A skirt can only be worn, on women.

Unless you use it for, like, a bandage or something. But in that case any piece of cloth would work provided it's thick enough and can be tightened enough.

I said I'd be tempted, not that I would. You can wear whatever the hell you want and I wont lay a hand on you, but that's not to say that my basic instincts wouldn't want me to remove you from society.

Gentelmen http://i28.tinypic.com/2mbjup.jpg

sorry about the horrid quality/pose, had to use my webcam and the program i use to take pictures with it dosent have a timer feature

The best bit is, I knew this would happen just by looking at the thread title.


@FP

:foodndrink:

Looks too restrictive to be useful in combat...

I suggest a more flowery dress.

Eh. A skirt is a short tube of cloth. A dress is a long tube of cloth. Pants are two long tubes of cloth stuck together. Of all the many, many completely insane, imaginary prejudices humans love to throw at each other, "improper" clothing to me is one of the most ridiculous. It means nothing at all. Ironically, the people most vocally against it are being far more stereotypically girly, obsessed as they are over the correct fashion people should wear. It's not harming anyone, so do as you like. If the annoyance of reactions from others outweighs the benefits, then stop doing it.


Reducing self-loathing can be a pretty substantial advantage. Are the foolish gawks and eye-rolls of strangers that much worse than constantly having to lie about who you are? It's up to the individual where the balance is, and if it puts them in actual danger, they often won't do it. Even then, sometimes they do, what with the whole "when good men do nothing" saying. If nobody makes any effort to defy prejudice, it's not going to go away anytime soon, and even those who are more accepting are likely to just turn a blind eye and pretend there's no problem if the problem doesn't make itself known. In lesser, everyday cases, though, if you're actively avoiding doing something you want to do, odds are good you're actively doing something you don't want to, all the time. The advantage of changing that seems obvious to me.

You are bading what is weird of your culture, what makes your culture any more right or any less weird than another ?
@Jim I would seek help if you have "insticts" telling you to remove people from society.

That thing doesn't even look girly at all if you ask me... It looks almost like a kilt. Like a not-ridiculous-looking kilt. :shrug:

The solution to your problem is hanging on the wall behind you. Carry any of those around and no one will give a damn about the skirt.

Looks like you went 80's and tied a sweatshirt around yourself from the front.

Nah looks like he is using one leg of a really fat guy's fleece sweat pant.

I sure as hell wouldn't wear a skirt in public.