It's only pointless in your opinion. I could say mammoths and saber tooth tigers and birds and mudcrabs are pointless and to work on them would be a waste of time you could be doing other things, but that doesn't mean that my personal opinion is the only acceptable one. It's not a ridiculous idea, makes just as much sense in this world as anything we've seen in it, and it could be argued that it fits the atmosphere perfectly and would be a great addition.

We're talking about mermaids, not lamiae. I already mentioned them awhile back anyway...


I'm not an idiot; of course that's my opinion. Make a poll and you'll probably see the average fan agrees.

Well you did say "I don't think you understand" as if it WAS a waste of time and the only reason the person didn't want it in was because they didn't understand that wasted time could be better spent elswhere.

Perhaps we'll find a copy of the most famous play of Naughtius Curio (descendant of misunderstood genius playwright Crassius Curio): The Lusty Mer Maid.

She's an elf who has a fish tail instead of legs.

Yes, that's what I believe. Look at it in context...


To me, it seems like he believes Bethesda has an unlimited amount of time to spend on everything. I was merely explaining this is not the case.

I'm aware of what you're talking about. Lamiae are the closest thing there is that already exist in lore. No reason their couldn't be sea dwelling versions. That serpent-like tail in the pic looks close enough to something that could pass for fish-like to me.

It's not likely we're going to see these though. Lore appropriate or not, it's going to be widely assumed Skyrim is too cold for things like this to live there.

Lol

then you definetely don't want to go to Bangkok :whistling:
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Yes, and I'm trying to tell you it's already been said. We've passed this part in the conversation. Lamiae are sea dwelling creatures by the way.

Etymology of a word in a different universe could have different roots, you know. Maybe in Tamriel a "mermaid" is just a sour-faced dark elf in a frilly outfit who demands that you "spit it out or hit the road."

Yes, yes it's all been said before. :stare:

Well I'd like to see some water inhabitant ancient civilization, according to lore Dreugh have such as well, there is also Maormer who inhabitant tropical Pyandonea and tame sea-serpents, maomers is described in different way then Mermaids, there is also Lamias in Daggerfall who live underwater, well at last in TES Mermaids can be seen in arts like statue in Anvil, fountain in Shivering Isles.

Bah! Easter Egg. The excuse for every oddity. Easter Eggs are part of the lore, as far as I am concerned. Once they make it into the gameworld and eveyone sees and is familiar with them, they exist, they happened, and some information should be provided. My thought on Easter Eggs, which I love very often, is nevertheless, if you can't in anyway explain them or fit them into the larger lexicon, even if its in a totally tongue in cheek, wink and smile and giggle way, then just don't put the damn things in in the first place.
So, there is a statue of a Selkie in Anvil, and its inspiration is a mystery.

One is from Arena, two are daedra, but does that really trim down the list? They're still in the Elder Scrolls, and so many of the Arena creatures were brought back for Oblivion. For Dreughs, I seem to recall you talking about torsos earlier. Even at that, I'd still say they're basically half human.

Check this one out for the half boat. He's toward the end after the bridge jumping.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84Kagea6LOc&feature=channel_video_title

Betmer.

They'll be mermaids to the imperials, something else to the elves, something else to the nords. Remember Dwarves? Recast as Dwemer for the elder scrolls, yet the armor still says dwarven. Orcs. Recast as Orsimer, their items are still called Orcish. As for confusing people, Bethesda doesn't worry about that at all. They made a character named Vivec and had him live in Vivec. They made a character named Dagoth Ur and had him live in Dagoth Ur. They had a city named Daggerfall in a country named Daggerfall in a game named Daggerfall.

They have norse myths for mermaids. I say spending time on more lore is just what we should be asking of Bethesda.

We're on the forums, nobody here is an average gamer in regard to this game. I'll take whichever option is more interesting.

They have over a hundred people working on their game, and what do you think their writers are going to do to actually improve the game? Write some lore? Make something interesting? Probably that's what the writers are working on. I'm quite sure they can make mermaids, which are perfect for the lore setting of the game, have a unique spin which will diversify and improve the underwater situation.

I would assume there are mermaids in the ES world since there are statues of them in OB, but I can't see them in Skyrim. Maybe a country with a lot of ocean coastline.

I really wouldn't know what's so good about them though. Just another creature to kill? Or will they be like water bound NPCs?

You can make them like the Harpies of Daggerfall. There is lore about them, but they mostly just attack you. Or they could make a few able to talk to you, if you're standing near the water. Harpies had their own language in Daggerfall as well.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/daggerfall-ghraewaj-and-harpies

I agree with you (that Mermaids would fit the setting), but I do not agree that easter-eggs are part of lore in most games.

That would make Aliens, Dr. Who, Godzilla & King Aurthur canon lore to Fallout, and would make Power Armor, flamethrowers, and grenade launchers, canon lore for Baldur's Gate.

Some ~(Most!) eastereggs are fun pokes at the player, and for the player's amusemant; not to be taken literally or seriously.

I would be more interested in water dragons or sea-serpents

Same here, but I would be even more interested in a mermaid entity as a "spotter" that can cry out or sink below the surface, as a means of calling a water dragon or getting the PC to swim after them and meet up with one.

Daggerfall's Lamiae are pretty much TES mermaids in my point of view. Make the upper body more fish like and I won't mind seeing them again.

I would say only the following things.

First, just because a creature is Daedric doesn't make it not a part of the lore, nor silly, nor unfit for display in the games. I dare you to make such bold statements to a Dremora Valkynaz or one of the Aureal. Maybe mermaid creatures would have daedric origins. It would make them all the more awesome I think.

As to the Dreugh being a race, which an earlier poster mentioned ( I know you didn't mention that one), I believe they did have a culture/civilization, in the ancient days. There is refference to them having been tyrant kings until Merunes Dagon cracked their heads but good. Considering how hideous and unpleasant they were in Oblivon, I've gotta say I think the Prince of Destruction deserves a rounding set of applause for that one.


Speaking for "the average" gamer is a sketchy science, hard to read, predict or generalize accurately.

And wasted and pointless are points of view and matters of opinion, and the "average gamers" will often differ wildly in opinions of what is pointless and what is not.

For myself, I would be okay with mermaids, but I certainly don't expect them, and I won't be sad about their absence. Still, there is no reason to crap all over the original posters idea, as if it were whacky or out of left field in a world whith graceful cat people, hideous lizard people, and deities who were deformed by being eaten and excreted by other deities (see, Trinimac to Malacath via the digestive tract of Boethiah).

It is unfortunate that more folks on the forum can't just say, "I don't care for that idea, and would preffer the devs put their energy into other things of greater interest to me and those who share my views," rather than being so consistintly abrasive to any notion they don't wholly support.

The differences are so obvious.

No it doesn't because there's not a single elf or man that has the lower body of a freaking FISH.

I have just watched the new Pirates of the Caribbean movie and I think Mermaids would be a great idea.... but not Mermen, oh and they have to be sixy and seductive. It would be great if Jack Sparrow had a cameo as a pirate in Skyrim (yes I love the Pirates of the Caribbean movies and am probably bit of a fan man). Still good idea although I think Mermaids would fit in the Summerset Isles more as the geography is supposed to consist of silent lagoons, idylic orchard and fields and misty woodlands it just sounds like a better setting. Still Mermaids for Skyrim :celebration:

• Medusa: From Arena / Bethesda wasn't planning a series / the game is not on par with today's lore / they just threw in whatever sounded cool
  
• Lamia: From Daggerfall / game is not on par with today's lore - ex. Orcs were merely larger versions of goblins
  
• Dreugh: Doesn't apply here / not human-like
  
• Spider Daedra: Daedra, obviously / doesn't have to make sense
  
• Centaur: From Daggerfall / game is not on par with today's lore / they'd likely be considered a race if included again
  
• Herne: Daedra / doesn't have to make sense
  
• Harpy: From Daggerfall / not on par with today's lore
  
• Boatman: Looks like an undead creature to me / doesn't apply here

Trimmed.


That's because a lot of the creatures from Arena were generic fantasy monsters.


I was talking about the necessary specifications for a mermaid which are a lower body of a fish and a human torso. Dreughs aren't mermaids.


The only thing even relatively close to this guy is a Bonelord.


Any chance you're going to stop dancing around and give me a link? No matter how hard I look, I can't seem to find anything that suggests the word 'mer' means anything other than elf. Where on Earth are you getting this information?


Whatever races percieve something to be in game is not relevant. We're talking about what they actually are.


No, all of that makes perfect sense if you read the lore. The justification for calling a mermaid a MERmaid in Skyrim would have to be misinterpretation or symbolism. Unless it was a race.


If they want to resurrect lamiae and build on their lore, I could deal with that. Adding mermaids out of the blue and writing extravagant backstories? No thank you.


I meant the average TES gamer as in people on the forums. I guess you missed the part where I brought up making a poll. Hey, if you'd prefer mermaids to sea monsters, that's your prerogative.


Obviously. But you see, mermaids do not sound the least bit interesting to me.
Yes, they're definitely capable.
I think it would be extremely unfitting but it's whatever.
Diversify from what? The classical mermaid? I thought I covered this.
I don't think you're listening to my posts. I want there to be underwater enemies. Just not mermaids. Anything is better than mermaids...