My point isn't at all to dismiss those concerns or criticisms, but to point out that there are literally large swaths of troll groups on the internet who excitedly pile on to [censored] on Bethesda's metacritic, that's all. Those kinds of things have to be taken into consideration when looking at the site.

I have plenty of problems with this game too, my comment was directed at establishing the faults of Metacritic.

I've watched a little bit of the game on YouTube and I didn't like what I saw. So I'm gonna pass.

People are probably giving too low score on metacritic to balance press scores who are too high for a game which have big flaws as an RPG and as a Fallout.

Personally through I prefered to be sincere and give it a 7: the best mark in the category of games which have big flaws.

The number who rate negatively to troll is significantly higher than the number that rate highly to troll.

Dismissing trolling is the very reason it still exists. Nobody cares to build a community where trolls are taught not to do what they do, so they cloud everything, making it harder for people to process the real feedback.

That's a shame. Check back in every 6 months or so and see if mods can get you closer to your ideal experience.

The atmosphere, graphics, and gameplay so far are wonderful imo. The story/pacing on the hand...well its bethesda writing. As I expected.

But hey at least I'm having fun.

Have you seen the amount of people rating the game a 10 just to offset the negative scores? That's not a review. That's vote manipulation. That's just as bad as what the "trolls" are doing.

I doubt it. Mods haven't been able to fix Skyrim or Fallout 3 for me and the same problems are in this game.

Yes, it absolutely is just as bad.

Anyway, last thing I'm gonna say on it, my point was not to rely on Metacritic because it is a shambling mess. (as your above point on "10" ratings also shows) That's all I was trying to say.

I'm curious to see how different the reviews would be if Obsidian had their name on the game and not Bethesda?...

Its metacritic ,your never going to get "Real" numbers from it because it's easy for people to flood it with junk reviews ,it's happened to every big game release the last few years and it'll keep happening!

no its just the small but vocal anti bethesda haters usually consisting of black isle and obsidian fans jealous that BGS is the one making fallout games thats all...like the game is really a 1 HAHAHA..NOT thats [censored], all those scores of 0, 1 and 2 ? yeah thats not real dude, those are people who haven't even played it.

Oh please... here we go again blaming the player.

Look, there's a lot to not like about this game and a lot to like. If you read through the negative reviews (not the 0's but the 5, 6 & 7) you'll see some very thoughtful points. All are valid.

In the long run though, rep is everything to a game. This game is already being raged at on FB and Twitter, gamefaqs, reddit (go look) for the same reasons there was rage on Metacritic. I know Beth is already seeing this. And I know they are already worried. I would be too. There is too much to simple dismiss it as "haters".

If I was Bethseda, I would release the mod kit tomorrow, if possible. Get us fans working on fixes and changes now. Not 6 months from now, but now. And god help them if Battlefront turns out to be great or the next COD. Because, lets face it Fallout 4 is basically a shooter with a backstory.

The basic problem is that Bethesda is Bethesda.

For example The last two E S games basicaly turned you into actual God then into someone who could [censored]slap Dragons to death. There first fallout game basicaly made it so that you were basicaly death incarnate, and New Vegas upped the stakes by handing you an orbital death ray.

Also

Let's get serious, Bethesda is Bethesda. Frankly when people complain that the QA team consists of whatever unpaid intern happens to be in the building and a QA lead who deletes any reports they turn in because he's too busy to deal with interns , I suspect most of us would refute that on the basis that that would be actualy be an improvement.

Also lets get serious . Given how short most games are getting nowadays? Some People are complaining that it took to long to get powerarmor.

Also lets get serious, Betesda is Bethesda, theirs not a freaking plot hole that exists that Bethesda will not cheerfully write itself into.

So today I learned I'm not a true Bethesda fan because I legitimately do not like Fallout 4.

I'm so [censored] done with this site.

all those scores of 0, 1, 2 thats all people who haven't played the game, thats not believable, its the most played game on steam, twitch etc with hundreds of thousands of people enjoying the game that at this very moment, that speaks louder than 25 guys who made several accounts on metacritic just to bash the game and give it a 0 or 1 review.

I don't see how I'm blaming the player here. I'm just curious to see all the biased reviews against Bethesda. (Obsidian [censored]. Yes, I am a fan of them. No, I do not despise Obsidian)

EDIT: CoD being good? Oh boy..Battlefront feels/plays like a reskin of Battlefield, and yes I am getting it. Let alone the new Battlefront left out some great features from Battlefront 2.

People must be confused,

See Fallout New Vegas is not a Bethsada game.

Yet, the game was a upgrade/re-textured Fallout 3. I enjoyed the game, but there are some annoying bugs that never got patched.

I pay attention as often to game critics and game critic sites as often as I pay attention to movie critics ... never.

I played it for a while with my grandfather and i didn't get that far because i didn't want to (i still don't have the game) (it was my grandpas game)

Any ..

ways ...

I was kinda of .. dissapointed about the skill system ...

But the game was what i wanted - An open world full of detail and packed with content.

Like all Bethesda Games.

Though ... i did notice some differences on the graphics, compared to the Elder Scrolls series (Skyrim) and Fallouts previous installment (Fallout 3, New Vegas) i did notice bland graphics. Almost no color in the landscapes etc i mean yes there is color, but the color in Fallout 3 was vibrant and .. *sigh* .. ahh i don't know .. lol I still haven't played it FULLY. I still need like 98% of the game and like i said i still don't have the game.

.. Looking at the reviews kinda doesn't matter to me anyways. I make my own review and my own score.

Seems to me that if people bought the game expecting to spend skill points and have immersive needs well they are making assumptions and never bothered to watch the E3 presentation or read any of the available material about the game over the last what 5 to 6 months?

They had enormous amounts of sources to go to check up on this game before purchase and would have known that all the stated features they declare as missing were in fact told to the customer up front.

Its a case of dumb buyers.

Hmmm well the HUD is broken and everyone sees it, it doesnt fit in the corners and is literally the most generic looking hud ever made. The health and AP are literally just a line.... seriously... Judging that most people see it think its crap rate it then go back to playing it maybe?

Who cares about metacritic though? Only game sales matter which translate into profit right? Long as the game makes money then who cares?

Oh, well then Bethesda games aren't for you. move along, nothing to see here.