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:whisper: la belle dam sans merci :shrug:

So that's why we haven't squeezed a Mountain Farting Contest out of you!

You spoony bard!

Oh, I've written plenty in my mods. And quite a bit of weaselling too. See, in my Mournhold Expanded mod, I explained that the river on which Mournhold stands is prone to flooding, and there's a mystical barrier to keep the floodwater out, and it is this that prevents levitation in the city. Being a proud sort, Almalexia's explanation is the given reason, but mine is the true reason.

Also, the reason why there are no horses on Vvardenfell is actually due to excessive import taxes. Bet they didn't tell you that in Seyda Neen. For my essays on Morrowind hygiene and food preservation, you'll have to see my mods


Anarchy. Chaos. Buffy marathons.


Dawww ... and it was appreciated.

But you're just a modder. That's no different from me making something up and claiming that it's better.

Applying classic literature to describe MK. Well done!

Ahem anyway MK are you working on the storyline for TESV perchance?

The difference between modders and Bethesda employees is a check in the end of the month.

Isn't life ludicrous?

It would seem that way from time to time.

OMG ROFL @ spoony bard.
been a while since I heard that one.

Thing about MK is, he makes some stuff I like a lot (Redguard), some stuff I don't much like but I see the neccessity in (Sermons) and some stuff I just can't stand (Loveletter). That's good, in this context, because TES is very realistic about it's backgrounds and history and if I liked it all then that'd just break it.

However, it's the "Cult" of MK that I occassionally run into problems with. Some folks just get a little crazy about it and in some cases flame you royally if you suggest that something else might be even close to right or better or something. Not even all of them, just the crazy ones who say that TES is MKs story written in MKs mind. Because it's not. He is the writer of some of it, but then give credit where credit is due to people like Tedders.

Better to think of MK and Tedders as inheritors of the mantle. I always see something like this as the sum of all it's parts - and there's been some great artwork too, and music that showed the way - it's just that a forum like this is not so conducive to sharing that side of it because things like that are not something that most directly take part in - where we can do with words

Exactly. And that's what happens every day at gamesas HQ.

I once posted a little "mini-play" in a forum post in which all the fans were eagerly dissecting some piece of lore or other and it turned out (in my imagination) that Todd had just told one of the devs to "make [censored] up" and he had delegated the task to an intern.

The point I was inexpertly making is that you and I or anyone can come up with a story or an explanation for something like *snap*. If you get good at coming up with that stuff, you could carve a nice niche for yourself as a fanfic writer or modder. If you can come up with that stuff day-in-day-out for 8-10 hours per day and not be a complete gimp, someone might pay you for it and then you would be a dev. I don't have it in me to write fiction for a living - but that alone does not make someone worthy of their own cult. :shrug:


Pretty much. I mean, that's not to disparage the enormous talent that a lot of the devs have. They are quite literally among the best in the world. It's just that they are ultimately just "making [censored] up". It's not like they are receiving the lore through visions from God or anything. Visions from Todd maybe ...

Again, though, that's the point. Todd's just a "pretty regular guy" from what I've heard. He's pretty smart - there's no doubt about that - and he comes across as very personable and funny as well as driven with excellent business sense. I've got a lot of admiration and respect for the guy - as I have for every successful business leader who got there by not being completely obnoxious, and moreso by giving me the best entertainments I've experienced as a consumer. He's certainly to me in the same category as Peter Jackson or Sam Raimi or Terry Pratchett. They're all still human beings, though.


Oh absolutely. Agree every word.

(Well, actually, I'm still kinda lost at the whole one-man-Vivec-orgy thing ... I mean, that's just weird ), but the writers of the Elder Scrolls are pretty awesome.

I think people are coming at this totally wrong. You should be worshipping Fred Zeleny instead. He has much more impressive facial hair.

Touche without the tilde, milady.

All this thread's veiled defensiveness aside, MK is just the better writer, and he posts here. It doesn't really need to be put in perspective any more than that.

Veiled defensiveness? By whom and about whom? I took it all as light-hearted nudging and talk about hats, but have a certain wry amusemant at writers getting their own adoring fans (and yes, I'm still plugging Zeleny here. All Hail the Fizz. He r0xx0rz!!!1111, etc.)

@ King Wulfharth: who is Michael Kirkbride? He makes [censored] up. A lot of people around here think he's very good.

That do ya?

My mistake, then. You were simply quoting some defensive posts.

There is just a lot of overwrought nonsense on this "subject," as if people are jealous that diehard fans have an unfair monopoly on hysteria. Just ask about The Shadowy Forum Cliche™

So because your A Brief History of Lore and the Creative Process post had the misfortune to be a response to a long tradition of classic internet bile and overactive imaginations (the bad kind), it read as extremely tiresome, for me.

I think we should all get hysterical over Erik J Caponi. I'm not kidding. The man is made of rock. Maybe one of you could throw your knickers at him and scream every time he comes online. He'd like that.

Ya know, we could celebrate our own Forum Holidays. You know how some countries have Saints' Days? We could have Celebrate A Dev Day. I mean, there's a couple of hundred of them, and so there would be one nearly every day - so maybe feasting and alcoholic excess shouldn't be the fit way to celebrate every dev, but instead of arguing about it on the forums, it could unite us in a spirit of camraderie and ... uhh .. savoury snacks.

May 15th is Kuhlman's Jubilee, not the flower procession for that Emilio guy, you heretic.

The only reason I think MK is awesome is the sermon-esque stuff. Being a student of rational western philosophy it is a type of intelligence and logic completely foreign to me.

if we can tie it in with gift giving (the devs have to pay us for all this praise after all) then im all in. i need an excuse to break out the skooma and polish ye olde muatra.

MK: seriously, how much money do you want? i was saving for college, but Eye of Argonia might well be worth more than Conversations on Illustration 355 or something.

I'll send you wine.

All you European folks in the house, send him wine. NOW.

Aw, great. I gathered all this Guinness yesterday for nothing. Or are you guys that pissed of about Lisbon that we got booted?

Noooo - send the Guiness too! A man with his own dungeon can have several cellars.

Too late. I drank it. :wacko:

I shall speak very quietly then for your poor head must be aching ...

:shocking: WAAAAH! :shocking:

What are ye on about? I'm just ready to go agian.

I'll gladly trade some proper Irish kegs of Guinness for some of the Dagoth brandy MK seems to ingest everytime he writes though.