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Posts like ^^ should just go away.

So it's okay to complain about almost every other feature of this game, about spears, levitation, spell-making, as long as it's gameplay...
but as soon as you mention something that you think looks bad in terms of graphics, it's not okay and you're something [censored]?

Because that's exactly what happens almost every single time there's a "graphics-thread" on these forums, and sometimes I wonder what's simply wrong with people when they post comments like this with no grounds whatsoever.

Is it so wrong to simply talk factually about how a game looks?

What is this? A Skyrim graphics whinefest?

Since no one else seems to notice, I'll point it out. Skyrims graphics look amazing. Bottom line.

Find another game that is the same size as ANY TES game that looks better. No seriously, I dare you. As far as open world games go, this one is going to take the cake. A game of this magnitude is of course going to have its minor flaws and imperfections. But a lot more goes into a game like this than just graphics.

Im sure we could have the absolute most beautiful game weve ever seen before if BS only focused on graphics. The trade off, there would only be one town and nothing to do there.

I will have to wait for super hi-res overhaul mods so the game will look pretty on my 2560x1600 monitor...

They haven't been mentioned because we are aware of that there is more to a game than just graphics. Those other issues are talked about extensively in other threads, though. As such, we are leaving them to those threads and in this one we are discussing the graphics alone.

Unfortunately, I'm not one of the blind faithful when it comes to Bethesda and their works. All I can do is look at one I see before me, what they have chosen to show me. While yes, some of it does look amazing, other parts of it are less than impressive. If they're choosing to show me things that are less than impressive, that's something to give me pause.

At first glance I thought they were very similar to Oblivion and Fallout.

After seeing the trailer though... there's something different. I just can't put my finger on it though.

But yes, they are improved.

http://www.tesnexus.com/imageshare/images/1576751-1298573533.jpg
I don't think that looks bad, actually.

http://download3.zenimax.com/akqacms/files/tes/screenshots/Tavern01_wLegal.jpg
http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/screenshots/pes/73997838.jpg
I don't really find either of those particularly amazing as, in the first one, the mats on the floor of the tavern stand out above the floor (much like how paper did in Fallout) and the girl's hair looks awful.
In the second one, as someone pointed out, his clothing looks sharp and disgusting, and the guy's hair looks horrendous. I also think that the view distance is horrible, as you can't see grass ahead past the stuff that surrounds his feet.

Haha, sorry for the negativity. I don't think this game will look amazing, but it will still look pretty cool I think. And that's all I need. As long as it has some decent, sligtly-enhanced graphics, the game will be extraordinary. Especially if they can manage to keep the dynamic shadows in.

You make very broad generic statements. Now contrast that with the very specific criticism some posters offered.

1) Look at the stealth-in-forest image. Look at the clothes. Look at them.
Now tell me you don't see anything wrong with that.

I'm with the "Skyrim's graphics could/should be better" crowd, but for the purposes of the thread topic it's only fair to point out that Bethesda merely said "graphics matter"; this doesn't burden them with a standard they can't achieve, nor make them look foolish if Skyrim's graphics are less impressive than they might be. It's not the same as saying "our graphics are the best," and certainly not "graphics are everything."

That said, I can't really see the purpose of OXM's article besides the attention a Skyrim-related article draws, and most of their readers probably don't know what they're talking about (I mean, I know more than the average about this stuff, and I sure don't know what I'm talking about).

In any case, Skyrim's graphics appear to be firmly within the "good enough" range for me - and its art style, world design and whatnot appear to be excellent, which is arguably more important.

itsgrady.

Do anybody here claim it's all about graphics?

http://i1-games.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Just-Cause-2-Trailer_5.jpg
Over 400 square miles.

No, but neither did I.

Like I said, show me a game that has as much to it as TES and far surpasses Skyrims graphics. Run to google all you want. The game doesnt exist. Im not talking about Farcry, or some similar game that is HUGE, but offers nothing in versatility compared to TES.

Hence the comment about there is more to TES than graphics. There are plenty of large, open world games that have great graphics. But they also dont have nearly as much to them as even MW did years ago.

Dunno how large the Witcher 2 is.
It is open world.
The graphics look great.

Then, why so mad? Let people talk about it in peace.

Only because your standards of "amazing" are apparently very high.




What's wrong with them? They look like rough homespun/woodsman type stuff.

You know what? I'm not going to bother looking for one because all you're doing is looking for excuses to justify it's graphical shortcomings. A shortcoming is still a shortcoming.

:whisper: They're not pink with flowers.

No they do not. They look like low res polygons. If you can't spot the difference between that and the way real life cloth draqes, then i'm sorry, you appear to have a serious perception problem.

Todd Howard confirmed that Bethesda will beef up the graphics last. Right now they are optimizing it.

Yea its useless arguing about it.... I guess there will always be haters in the world.

Maybe the people who dont like the graphics can make their own TES game, better.

I feel like a broken record, but Im still waiting for the game that is as in depth as Skyrim, but has better graphics.

Anybody?

Yeah so... by your logic, we should close these forums then. Because pretty much every single thread is about making something better or adding something. Whether it's spears, climbing, levitation, spell-making, mounts, more dialouge, more choices, etc etc etc etc.

Looking at graphics, anolyzing them, giving Bethesda our opinion of them whether they should be improved or not... is just as relevant as every other thread talking about gameplay or whatnot.

Sooner or later, a mod will most likely come in here and say "keep it civil" or just close this thread. It's embarassing and depressing how people here on the forums can't talk objectively and constructively about graphics.

I think the idea is that the game could have better graphics and just because there really are no similar sandbox rpg's to TES does not negate that fact. That would be like saying Plants v. Monsters doesn't need better graphics because there is no other game quite like it out there.

Hmmm...
So you've actually played Skyrim, have you? Could you share some new screenshots?
Look, you want to throw blanket staements, call anyone who criticizes what Bethesda has decided to show a hater, fine, do it.
Maybe you'll get a nice badge from them.

That cloth looks bad.
It looks like one of those Marie Antoinette renaissance dresses with an undercover wireframe to inflate them.

Now that you mention it, and I go out of my way to look, I can see that the curves are made up of a few edges, instead of many/being "curved".

But, like I said, I had to specifically look for it. Just looking at the picture, to see how it was "bad", I didn't see it. I was looking at the colors, composition, style.... and it looked fine.

Sorry.

:shrug:

See now, for me, those sharp corners and edges were among the first thing to catch my eye when I first saw that picture.

When you pause something, you criticize every little detail. When you are actually playing the game and having fun, then it's a different story.