So, according to you, because there is always room for improvement, we're not allowed to discuss those improvements? I don't recall ever seeing you in threats about spears whining about people who want them. Nor do I recall you whining about people who want hardcoe modes. What makes graphics any different?

For the future, I'll have to try to remember that gameplay discussion ok, but graphics discussion is not allowed. Unless it's bowing down and worshiping Bethesda for how amazing it looks.

Actually.....

It sounds like you have it pretty much figured out. Good Job!

The reason I ask for another game as large as Skyrim and as in depth that has better graphics, is because for a game as large and as in depth as Skyrim the graphics are beyond par. For a game with as much detail and size as TES, the graphics are pretty top notch. Thats why there isnt a game of this magnitude that has better graphics, imo.

Does that mean they are perfect, absolutely not. But I just dont see a reason to complain about them. For me, it falls under the 'if its not broke, dont fix it' category. Im sure BS will continue doing a fine job improving on these asepcts, like they have in the past and they have with Skyrim. Saying the graphics are bad is like having your cake, whining the whole time you eat it, and then wanting more.

Who cares? Skyrim looks great. Wanting itto look better is a decadent sign of posmodern society and an absurd idea of progress at the expense of everything else (especially common sense).

First, no one said they were bad, only that there is room for improvement, or that it falls short in certain areas.

Second, your argument is just as applicable to gameplay as it is to graphics. Anyone seeing what they perceive as a flaw, whether it's graphical (such as poor lighting or too low-poly modesl) or gameplay (lack of spears or classes), have just as much right to discuss that flaw as anyone else. So rather than trying to come in and disrupt or force your view on everyone else, why don't you just say your peace and leave?

And to Helloween, stop trying to sound intelligent. Hardware has already progressed. There's no reason why software can't keep up. Well, except for the antiquated consoles, I suppose.

All Im saying is, if I ask for flaming, flying dogs that you can ride because I think its a flaw they arent in the game, it would be absurd. And to me, asking for better graphics is equally absurd. Of course, we all have the right to complain or post threads about whatever we want (Skyrim related). That doesnt mean we should all be taken seriously.

Care to comment on what I said about Skyrim? In regards to it being ahead of its time for a game of that magnitude and size? Im still waiting for an example.

Regardless it doesnt matter. I'll roam Skyrim in awe, and others will roam it and say "Hey! My shirt looks sharp" and "These resolutions could be better". So whatever anybody else thinks is no skin off my back. I do apologize that you wont be able to enjoy the game the same way I will.

But then again, there is always TES VI for you guys to look forward to.

Mitheledh has it right. The thing holding back Skyrim is console hardware. The reason there was such an incredible jump between Morrowind and Oblivion is that Oblivion came out on a new generation of consoles. Once a new console gen comes out (2015?) the console gamers will realize why PC gamers have been so annoyed by antiquated hardware holding back new graphics in games. We might already have things that have advanced since 2005 hardware like true HD rendering, AA, and slightly better textures but it's sad when we don't get new DX features and hi poly meshes because consoles can't support them.

Btw I'm not bashing console gamers and I own all three current gen consoles. I just like PC gaming better.

Pete said that Graphics matter, must be blowing smoke out his [censored] :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Graphics don't matter what we need is good gameplay and less Bugs/Glitches. I don't want the game to be completely bland and ugly but then again we don't need Skyrim to compare itself to Crysis.

My thoughts exactly. On the other hand, I dont want the game to look absolutely incredible, but the gameplay be horrible. I think that from what Ive seen of Skyrim, it is a perfect balance of both. Amazing graphics, amazing gameplay.

But sometimes I guess amazing just isnt enough to satisfy people. Anything short of perfect NEEDS improvement is a sad way to generalize these games.

Perhaps the best example, is that I can go back and play OB and MW and be absolutely amazed. The graphics may be nothing compared to more recent games, but its the gameplay that makes them. Skyrim will be no different. Not to mention, it looks great to me. I could pick out flaws, but I'll just be happy with the amazing product Im given.

I don't know where this myth comes from that when it comes to graphics and gameplay, it's an either/or thing. There is no reason you can't have both.

And there is the point we disagree on. While the graphics are good, I do not fee that they are amazing. Just because there may or may not be a game similar to Skyrim with better graphics does not mean that there is not still room for improvement. Nor does it excuse it. The game is being designed for antiques and it shows. It also means that they likely won't take advantage of the more advanced hardware available that would help make the game look leaps and bounds better than it does.

I would have been "amazed" at the graphics in this trailer if it was shown to me in 2008. The simply fact is hardware advances fast, and so can graphics. You can't see this with consoles but not all of us are so satisfied with graphics going up in huge leaps every 6+ years when the hardware improves every 6 months. This generation of consoles is simply showing its age, and with Microsoft saying they expect the X360 to last until ~2015 it's kind of a stale generation.

I think he just means what you said, that bland and ugly wouldn't really work.

And I dont know why you keep saying that. Ive read through and I didnt see anyone say that you cant have both.

What I am saying however, is that for the type of game Skyrim is, it looks great. Skyrim has hundreds of interior locations, and miles of wilderness. Thousands of moveable items and scores of enemies and creatures. Now take a look at the games with better graphics than Skyrim. There is no where near the amount of work and intricate detail put into those as TES, it is not even debatable. The detail that we have seen so far is much better than anything Ive seen from a game like this.

So while graphics/gameplay are not an either or thing, there is certainly a relation between the two. For a game this size, I think the graphics look amazing. You disagree. Just as much as you have a right to whine about graphics, I have the right to tell you I think you're wrong.

The best part is, this thread had absolutely nothing to say about the graphics. It was regarding OXM milking stories out of no new info, and just so happened to be a interview regarding graphics. It wasnt a debate, in fact I feel it had little to even do with graphics. Everyone then took it upon themselves to point out what they call flaws.

Sure. Read anything out of context and you can make it sound like whatever you want. But I see you left off the rest of that paragraph you decided to quote. Here was the rest.

I'm reading it, still getting the same thing. You're saying it's a balance of gameplay and graphics. That is exactly what you said. Making the graphics better than they are won't make the gameplay any worse.

Who's blowing smoke?

He never said they are the only thing that matter, rather one of many components that do matter.

For graphics it's in terms of immersion and a better creating atmosphere, and he's right.

I think Leonardo Da Vinci's Mona Lisa looks dull, bland, and almost colorless. Doesnt stop it from being a masterpiece.

Anybody can look at someone elses work, judge it, and say it could be improved. Critics do this all the time. But I dont see anyone in this thread giving ideas on how to improve, but rather complaining and offering no ideas or suggestions other than "Improve Graphics". Like its never dawned on BS that graphics are important in video games. Like they havent already considered how to make this game look the best it can on the CURRENT platforms of today.

Honestly, this thread was hi jacked by multiple people complaining about the graphics. This thread wasnt debating the graphics. So I felt admidst all the Hate-O-Rade going around in a thread about OXM, I would stand up for Skyrim and its graphics. Skyrim is ahead of its time, like all the TES games before it. You can tell from the trailer. And anyone who watched that and said "Meh"....well I just cant see eye to eye with you.

I also think its a bit late in the game to be asking for graphics overhauls, so unless you guys are wishing on a star, or giving your thoughts for TES VI, then I see little point. Its not about whether or not they could be better. Its being happy that you even have the privilage of playing a game so amazing, and being content with that.

Plenty of ideas have been given before. Hi-res textures (QTP3-level or higher), tesselation, that new DX11 shadowing technique, ambient occlusion, global illumination, volumetric shadows/godrays, Bokeh depth-of-field, etc.

Wow. Its amazing we as gamers thought of that before BS. Im sure theyve never considered any of these options before.

And I said in THIS thread. I didnt see all of those ideas in here
EDIT- Allow me to correct my previous statement. After reviewing the entire thread, I didnt see ANY of those ideas mentioned.

Graphics are nice but they take a back seat to gameplay, mechanics, and story.

Graphics may catch your eye or turn a few heads but will it keep you interested?

I'd have a good game over graphics any day of the week.

EDIT: Just had this thought..... Um, minecraft anyone? ^^

The background environment looks amazing. But the humanoid in the picture... does not look right. His posture and shape remind me of a monster. He looks alien, not human.

Goldeneye? Super Mario Bros?

Or more recently...

Trials HD, Halo 3, Limbo, Any game made for Wii (Surely there is at least 1 good game there, right?)

So much goes into a ES game. Seriously, its almost uncomprehendable. The world, the locations, the races, the weapons, the clothing/armor, magic, lore, dialogue, etc. Youd think people would cut them some slack for a sharp looking shirt.

It's not Crysis (the first Crysis that is), but Skyrim looks OK. I think the jump from Oblivion's graphics are good enough.
Combined with the almost assured better gameplay than OB, it looks like Skyrim will a great game.