Ok. We have a new game coming. Not too similiar but not too different to warrant a different name either.
So I thought we'd have a poll on if we want/like minigames.

The questions go:

Do you like minigames?

If yes: How would you like them? Or were they already good enough in FO3?
If not: What would you like to replace them? Please specify what and why.

I voted no, as I want skillchecks - that take realtime time to accomplish - to take the place of the minigames.

I like them, tests my skills like all games should.

I don't understand where you're going at OP.

I'd rather just have skill tests, like these kind of games used to have. Mini-games seem to stem from developers that feel the players need to feel more input in the game, but I've always thought of that input in a RPG as my effort put into building my character and selecting his stats.

Do you like to have minigames (in lockpicking for one exampe)? If yes, how would you like them (Liket they were in FO3, or some other way)?
If you do not like them, what would you like to replace them?

he is referring to the different minigame like moments used with some skills, like lockpicking and hacking.

Like the lockpicking and hacking games in FO3?
Awful.
Should be based on skill, stat and diceroll IMO.

As to what mini-games i would like... I cant really say but they should be governed more by skills, S.P.E.C.I.A.L.s and maybe even perks as oppose to just player skill. I would want more than just XP and caps for playing said games as well.

We agree completely on this one. :thumbsup:

Won't the casino gambling be considered a mini game? Is that what you're talking about UnDecaf..?

geez a lot of lazy people here, what next ya want them to revert to the turn based system so you don′t have to do that oh so sweaty job of pointing the gun?

I do agree with the minigames need more SPECIAL contributions... But do you have any examples on how one does minigames that aren't complete crap?

Timelimits is one example (that I thought about), but how much sense does a timelimit make in a footlocker? Or an ordinary fence in this setting?

Yes?
Scratch that.
I meant:

Yes!

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Or maybe not completely reverse the system but giving us the option to play turn-based would be awesome.

Lazy? How about character based instead? You know, like an RPG?

And yes I'd like a TB system. Not a revert, but progression at this point.

well last I checked rpg stands for role playing game


not number crunching game.

As long as you play a role it shouldn′t really matter if it′s you or your character pulling the trigger.

it′s just a left over from the old days the RPG= number crunshing due to game limits.

I think it depends on what type of mini-game we are talking about.

Take a poker game for example; Perhaps there could be a perk that allows you to cheat in card games and in poker it allows you to hide a card in your sleeve. Luck could determine how likely it would be to get caught playing the pocketed card. Speech could govern if you could talk your way out of the situation without getting into a fight. It would still require the player to actually play the game but said things would also effect the overall outcome.

Now for lockpicking; I thinks that it could be a blend of Oblivions way (But much harder) and F3's way. Luck along with lockpicking skill would determine your success. Allowing you to attempt locks out of your skill range but usually ending in dozens of broken lockpicks.

Lockpicking was boring because it looked the same and had the same principe every time. It made me think that every lock in the game was the same, but thats just silly.
They should make different kids of locks and also locks that need other stuff to pick open.
Oh well.

Well, yes. A role playing game. You play the role of another being that has its strenghts an weaknesses.

That's how I normally understand it.

Virtual larping is another topic, let's keep this one on minigames.



Oh, I agree. Though I must make myself clear... Gambling must/should be based on minigames, but more crucial things like lockpicking and hacking - I think - should not. They should be based more on character skill than the players agility with mouse or controller.

I'm quite sure there can be lockpicking and hacking systems that employ both in a same degree, but how would they work? What would their premises be and how would they prevent the playerskill from taking over?

Yeah this would at least be some improvement.

agreed, well I would not mind stats having some effect, like adding/reducing the difficulty, but I still feel it should be something the play does because...well being of the NES generation I think the player should play the game...not the game playing the game

AKA, take away from the Roleplay? No thanks.

If you go by that definition solely, every game is a role playing game. Are you not playing the 'role' of Niko in GTA, or Marcus in Gears of War, etc?

I don't get it.

exactly, just RPG usaly have a greater freedom in how you design your character, but besides that calling it a RPG shouldn′t automaticly mean number crunching.

heck that′s the main reason I like Fallout 3 and Oblivion, the freedom to make my own character, and then Immerse myself by swinging the sword or shooting the gun myself, feel the action.

I think you got it backwards.

RPG's test your characters skills, not your skills, mini games are just dumb.