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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:10 pm

That doesn't make any sense.
Why? Tang Mo are apemen as well, as Imga; Ka-Po-tun are catmen as well as Khajiiti, they even worship Akatosh.

@ Yar-Yulme - You're kidding, right?
Almost.

Though I think that if Akavir really exsists, Tsaeski are partially humans or were partially humans sometime long ago... After all, they weren't considered as beastfolk.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:34 am

Why? Tang Mo are apemen as well, as Imga; Ka-Po-tun are catmen as well as Khajiiti, they even worship Akatosh.

Almost.

Though I think that if Akavir really exsists, Tsaeski are partially humans or were partially humans sometime long ago... After all, they weren't considered as beastfolk.



There is not much information about Akavir, but enough to prove that it actualy exists
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:51 pm

A quick search at TIL reveals that Pale Pass is usually referred to in the context of an Akaviri invasion, not specifically a Tsaesci invasion, so this is the probable explanation (as also hypothesised in the Soldier and Serpant).

In addition, the Akaviri messenger's diary did state he and the other Akaviri messenger had legs.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:02 pm

In addition, the Akaviri messenger's diary did state he and the other Akaviri messenger had legs.

I always imagined the Tsaesci as very slim men with and fine scales with long Argonian like faces and tails. With a pale golden hue to their scales
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:53 pm

I always imagined the Tsaesci as very slim men with and fine scales with long Argonian like faces and tails. With a pale golden hue to their scales


Emperor Reman III remembered that he had agreed to this several months before and forgotten about it. One combatant was the Potentate's son, Savirien-Chorak, a glistening ivory-yellow eel, gripping his katana and wakizashi with his thin, deceptively weak looking arms. The other was the Emperor's son, Prince Juilek, in ebony armor with a savage Orcish helm, shield and longsword at his side.


Why? Tang Mo are apemen as well, as Imga; Ka-Po-tun are catmen as well as Khajiiti, they even worship Akatosh.


The only race that doesn't worship Akatosh is the Dunmer. It makes no sense because they're on the other side of the world, and the Khajiit are just Bosmer that were changed by Azura; they can't possibly be the same thing. And, with the others, the Dunmer and Dwemer are both elves, aren't they? They weren't the same.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:06 pm

Emperor Reman III remembered that he had agreed to this several months before and forgotten about it. One combatant was the Potentate's son, Savirien-Chorak, a glistening ivory-yellow eel, gripping his katana and wakizashi with his thin, deceptively weak looking arms. The other was the Emperor's son, Prince Juilek, in ebony armor with a savage Orcish helm, shield and longsword at his side.
Carlovac Townway based his descriptions of Akaviri on marasmic tales of hundred-years-agen Imperial veterans...

It makes no sense because they're on the other side of the world, and the Khajiit are just Bosmer that were changed by Azura; they can't possibly be the same thing.
So it makes no sense if they are really on the other side of the world, and not only myths rising from ancient disturbed descriptions of Khajiiti. But how can you know it for sure?
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:05 pm

They could be Kamal, being that they seem to prefer colder climates, such as northern Cyrodiil/southern Skyrim, or they could be one and the same as the Tsaesci, being that the men got "eaten" and now there's two "breeds" of Tsaesci: the ruling class of snake-men with their names with lots of 'S' sounds, and the lower-class humans with their 'X' sounding names.
Makes me think of the http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/f/f1/Yuan-ti_-_Sam_Wood.jpg from the various Dungeons & Dragons settings, in that they're snake-people with many different forms.

Or, it could be a budget thing. But I like my ideas better. :P
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:35 pm

The only race that doesn't worship Akatosh is the Dunmer. It makes no sense because they're on the other side of the world, and the Khajiit are just Bosmer that were changed by Azura; they can't possibly be the same thing. And, with the others, the Dunmer and Dwemer are both elves, aren't they? They weren't the same.


Almalexia mantled Akatosh, what with betraying Nerevar (Shezarr) and going bat[censored] insane. Of course, this means the Shezarrine will kill Akatosh and stop time......
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:59 am

It's funny. I just dispatched of Mishaxhi myself several days ago and was wondering the exact same thing. Probably an oversight or pure artistic laziness. Especially as much of Oblivion's content seems cookie-cutter in nature, it wouldn't surprise me if the artists didn't feel compelled to create unique assets for NPCs for a single quest. I'm sure I wouldn't.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:21 pm

It's okay if you don't like Oblivion, but don't repeat something if you know that it's been proven wrong.

descriptions of Akaviri from Imperial veterans...


That might be true, but the descriptions don't have to be wrong, just because of that. The Imperial soldiers are the best people to get descriptions from, as they're the only ones who have been to Akavir.

So it makes no sense if they are really on the other side of the world, and not only myths rising from ancient disturbed descriptions of Khajiiti. But how can you know it for sure?


If they were descriptions of Khajiit, then there wouldn't be information about their leaders and culture, which there is, that could be anything other than Khajiit. It's how many historians work out what people were talking about in records, if many things are similar. Other than their appearance, the Khajiit and Akaviri are completely different.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:44 pm

It's okay if you don't like Oblivion, but don't repeat something if you know that it's been proven wrong.
But it hasn't proven, it's only belived to be so.

That might be true, but the descriptions don't have to be wrong, just because of that.
Yes, but they don't have to be right. Maybe they just mixed image of Nagas with many-aged gold-skinned enemies of Empoire.

If they were descriptions of Khajiit, then there wouldn't be information about their leaders and culture, which there is, that could be anything other than Khajiit.
Leader of Ko-Po-Tun is Akatosh. Khajiits worship Akatosh too.

By the way, moving from crypto-akaviri teories - the most strange thing about the Pale Pass is even not the bipedal akavirians, but theis shields and armor.

Because of
As has often been stated, the Akaviri, particularly the Tsaesci, understood weaponry better than armor. Even if they could not wear it themselves, the knight was able to explain to the other Syffim what the weaknesses were in their opponent's armor, explaining to them how many joints there were in a pauldon and a grieve, and the differences between Aketons and Armkachens, Gorgets and Gliedshrims, Palettes and Pasguards, Tabards and Tassettes.
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"This will be fascinating to watch," hissed the Potentate, a wide grin across his narrow face. "I don't know if I've even seen a Cyrodiil fight an Akavir like this. Usually it's army against army. At last we can settle which philosophy is better -- to create armor to combat swords as your people do, or to create swords to combat armor as mine do."
...
"We don't have shields in our culture," murmured Versidue-Shaie to the Emperor. "It seems strange to my boy, I imagine. In our country, if you don't want to get hit, you move out of the way."

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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:52 pm

But it hasn't proven, it's only belived to be so.


Well, we know that there were men and snakes in Akavir, and that the Blades armour from the Akaviri invasion was not worn by snakes. Unless there were other races in the invasion of Tamriel, then the only thing that would mean the snakes invaded Tamriel is 'Tiber Septim did it' ;)

Yes, but they don't have to be right


Soldiers remember the appearance of their enemies, and many historians often record it. They'd have no reason to make it up, so there's no reason not to trust their descriptions.

Leader of Ko-Po-Tun is Akatosh. Khajiits worship Akatosh


He isn't Akatosh, he's trying to become Akatosh, and doesn't seem to have succeeded. The Khajiit worship Akatosh, but so do most other races of Tamriel.
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