The Akiviri General Mishaxhi appears as a Male Human in the Quest Lifting the Vale despite the fact that the Akaviri are reputedly Demon like in appearance. Is this pure laziness by Bethesda or does the general appear in the form of a human for some reason?

There were men who lived in Akavir, too. They just got eaten by snakemen at some point

But that doesn't explain why Mishaxhi is a human rather than a snake man.

When i posted this same question, i got a great response.

"Probably the same reason Cyrodil is no longer a jungle and has less people in it than Greenland" (Or close to it).

The devs were just asleep at the wheel again in my opinion.

:lmao: I will have to accept that as the inconvenient truth then. Cheers Vault

Not necessarily eaten, but enslaved. The texts say eaten in cases meaning absorbed, culture wise. There may be a heavy proto-nordic population on Akavir, but they are like Kajiis where in Morrowind.

Because "Akavir" was never existed, and "tsaeski" were just nedic population of eastern Elsweyr, whose history is heavy mythied.

Not necessarily eaten, but possible, because it sounds cool

Anyway, to elaborate on my first statement, we know that there was a human race on Akavir, so it makes sense that the ghost you meet in the quest is not a snakeman.As far as I know, there wasn't stated which race of Akavir was suppossed to be there.

uhhh...what?!?!?!?

then what about the disaster at Ionith? and the entire seige of Akavir, where the Empire at least claims to hold several Small Islands.

There are no Human Akavir, there may be humans in Akavir. Also I am asking why Mishaxhi appears Human, Mishaxhi was a General of the Tsaesci invasion force in Tamriel, no Human could ever be allowed by the Tsaesci to command one of their armies.

There are numerous small islands dotting the seas east of Morrowind. There was never any definte invasion of anything more the small outposts was there?




Do you have anything to back up this claim? According to MA the ONLY detailed source on Aavair, there were indeed Akaviri men at some point.

It has also been asserted that the Snake-men actually hired Cyrodill mercenaries to fight for them, and that was who was seen at pale pass, with the actual snake-men being very small in number.

Who was Ada'Soom Dir-Kamal, then? Another Nede? Please. Akavir most definitely exists, its influence on Tamriel is simply too great to deny.

Doesn't the The Annotated Anuad state that the Tsaesci are a human race? Look, see:
On the other continents, the Wandering Ehlnofey became the Men: the Nords of Atmora, the Redguards of Yokuda, and the Tsaesci of Akavir.
Taken right from the book.

It seems to suggest so...
But I always got the opinion from other books they were snake-like, and to be honest, I'd prefer them to be snake like

But yeah, I'd think this is a mixture of admins not caring about it, or thinking that it would be fun to leave us in suspense as to what they actually look like.

Given the influence of the Potentates, one of whom even appears to a crowd to announce the end of the Cyrodiil line, it seems odd that we don't know for sure whether Tsaesci are actually snakes, or simply 'snake-like', a metaphorical statement.

Probably to give the devs more wiggle room. Mishaxhi doesn't look or appear, or even act, snake like to me.

It's entirely possible that "vampiric snake men" is simply an allusion to their mental and moral characters more than any physical truth.

It's also entirely possible that the actual vampiric snake men choose not to fight when they can send their human slaves to do the fighting for them.

It may be a great response if you're a Danish politician, but, for the lore forum, it's just another example of bias against Oblivion that has resulted in another question not being answered.

There is an explanation, one which I think you already know. Akavir was inhabited by humans before the arrival of the Tsaesci, which resulted in the destruction of human culture (even if they weren't eaten by the snakes, who are said to appear something like humans, and who brought many Akaviri immigrants to Tamriel when they ruled it for more than four hundred years without eating anyone). It was the humans that invaded Cyrodiil.

The Blades armour is based on Akaviri designs.



Those aren't anywhere near Akavir. They weren't hit by the storms, so they're probably near Tamriel.



There are descriptions of their appearance in the 2920 series, and, although a few things about them appear human, they are definitely snakes.

http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/adanorcilarticle2.shtml reconciles it all but it mostly seems to be a budget issue. With no actual money for Serpents, they'll have to make due with ghosts effects and blades armor to give of some feeling that they're all related.

Here is an extract from an article on the UESP
No mer have ever lived there; the men that did live in Akavir were all "eaten" long ago by the Vampiric Serpent Folk of Tsaesci. There are four major nations on Akavir, each with its own race: Kamal, Tsaesci, Tang Mo and Ka Po' Tun.

Kamal is translated as "Snow Hell", and many armies of demons call it their home. Every summer they thaw out and attempt to invade Tang Mo, but are always driven back by the courageous monkey-folk who live there. Once Ada'Soom Dir-Kamal, a king among the demons, tried to invade and conquer Morrowind, but was destroyed by Almalexia and the Underking at Red Mountain.

Tsaesci is translated as "Snake Palace", and was once the strongest kingdom in Akavir. It is home to the Vampire Snake people who ate the men of Akavir long ago. They are described as beautiful, with golden scales, a human upper body and a snake like lower body. The goblin tribes of Akavir are their source of food and labor. Potentate Versidue-Shaie, was a Tsaesci who ruled Tamriel in the previous era for 400 years before being assassinated by the Morag Tong.

Tang Mo is translated as "The Thousand Monkey Isles". It is inhabited by many breeds of monkeys who are described as kind and brave. The other nations of Akavir have tried to enslave them at some point, but the monkeys can make armies if they must. They are apparently allies of the tiger people of Ka Po' Tun.

Ka Po' Tun is translated as the "Tiger-Dragon Empire". The inhabitants, of course, are a cat-like people and are ruled by the great ruler Tosh Raka, a tiger dragon. They are the greatest empire in Akavir, but are not skilled at fighting at sea. After the Serpent people ate the men, they tried to eat the dragons. They managed to make the red dragons slaves, but the black dragons fled to Po Tun. A great battle was fought, and it left both the cats and the snakes weak, and the dragons extinct. Since then, the cats have always tried to become dragons. Tosh Raka is the first and only so far to have accomplished this. He is the largest dragon on Nirn and is covered in Orange and Black Scales.

There is no mention here of any Elf civilizations on Akavir and no mention of any surviving Humans.

Read the footnote. Or Soldier and the Serpent, which actually elaborates the point properly.

Hmm, in which case I withdraw my previous comment, the debate makes even less sense in this context.

It makes them sound a bit like Naga or Lamia in appearance. Groovy.

Oh, fairy-tale about Ionith and Akavirian campaign of Uriel V is just attempt to conceal suppression of uprising somewhere is Black Marsh.

Nordling, of course. Kamal are Nords, Ka-Po-tun are Khadjiit, Tang Mo are Imga.

Or if you dont like this theory, you can think that men of Akavir listened too much to the transmissions of Satakal, and their bodies shaped into serpine forms, but their souls retain form of human.

It makes perfect sense. The Tsaesci and the Akaviri humans are different. It's not really that confusing, it's just that only the word 'Akaviri' was used.



That doesn't make any sense.

A quick search at TIL reveals that Pale Pass is usually referred to in the context of an Akaviri invasion, not specifically a Tsaesci invasion, so this is the probable explanation (as also hypothesised in the Soldier and Serpant).

@ Yar-Yulme - You're kidding, right?