Just want to point out how I miss that you use to be able to upgrade your jump, (and athletics for that matter). That was always fun to me. Also I miss the jump spells, and while I agree morrowind had a very OP jump spell, its wasn’t so bad in oblivion. Any one else agree?

Agreed.. that was really fun

Don't take this the wrong way but haven't we kinda moved past this yet? It's not in the game, wait for mods if your on PC and oh well if your on console.

Well I don’t take anything in forums the wrong way; there are a lot of asses out there. But imo these games are all pretty much the same thing over and over, just a bit different quest and stories with few extra improvements. And with that being said no I don’t think we moved on, you can say that about any of the actions in the game, like are we not pass only having fire, ice, and water for des?

Well I was talking more about moving on as in there isn't 800 threads about jumping just a few people bring it up here and there, but I see what your talking about there are things that could have been added/not removed/put into one skill tree and I kinda agree that them getting rid of things like athletics and acrobatics kinda makes the game less unique in those regards. I also completely agree with the games now being the same with small improvements but unless they do something completely different everything has been done with so unless the next TES has guns or something (I would accept flintlock pistols maybe 3 games from now) it will still be like that.

ahh I see, I took what you said wrong then, lol. I have just started the forums today as I’m at work bored because its thanksgiving and nothing to do really here. And to be honest this forums is abit complicated to see what everyone is posting. Be nice if they set up some categories other than just general discussion. Have some sub groups like, game ideas, game play, etc. Thank you for the replies btw.