Missing potion textures : IV

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:51 pm

After one too many crashes, I finally buckled down, wiped my Oblivion and reinstalled in FCOM-suggested order. It seemed to have helped with FPS (though stability is still wonky, but I expect that's just 32-bit system memory limitations. I hadn't applied the patch during my testing), but one thing that's odd is that the "drink mug" animation now just has a pink bottle and a lot of the other potion textures/meshes are missing as well. I hadn't had a problem with missing textures at all in my old installation, so I'm baffled as to what the problem could be.

Load order as given by Bash:

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Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]E7  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I checked through the installers tab under missing and none of the mods have anything obviously missing that could explain it. The only difference this time is that A) I installed in FCOM order and B) Last time I started with OOO 1.3, patched to 1.31, patched to 1.32, etc up to 1.34b5, and same with MMM, whereas this time I started with OOO 1.33 and MMM 3.7b3 (well, and I switched Enhanced Weather out in favor of All Natural, but that doesn't strike me as likely). Could that make a difference?

OOO says it installed a bunch of potion files under the textures(meshes)/clutter/RCpotions directory, and I checked and all of the files are there. It's the lack of mugs for people drinking in taverns that's really confusing me. I've tried a couple potion replacers as a bandaid solution, but none of them replace the drinking mugs.

I realize that's not much to go on, but if anyone has an idea I'd appreciate it.

Edit: Corrected install names

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:11 pm

Mods for Troubleshooting - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=troubleshooting_mods <-- Grab one of these guys so that you no longer have to guess about which plugin owns missing resources.

Anyway, uninstall OOO, completely, and grab the OOO 1.33 complete archive from PES. (This file is OMOD-Ready.) Install that, and then install OOO 1.34b5 on top of it.

Edit: After reinstalling OOO, either reinstall MMM or grab a file redating utility to redate MMM's BSA to a more current date.

Programs & Utilities - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=programs_and_utilities <-- You can find links to one or two redaters here.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:13 pm

Thanks for the advice.

I made a mistake in my previous post--I started with OOO 1.33 this time and did a BAIN install. I did notice something else during troubleshooting as well. The missing potion textures aren't random--it's only player-made potions that have no texture, including newly-made potions with my current mod list. I'm not sure if the pink texture is standard for those. Refscope gives me "Defined in Player Save Game" when I look at them. On the subject of the drinking mug, Refscope doesn't seem to be able to tell me that a mesh is missing from an in-progress animation (at least, not that I can see--it doesn't show up in equipment).

Checking the MMM BSA and the Francesco's BSA with the redater utility shows that they're dated with yesterday's date.

OOO 1.33 and 1.34b5 have been reinstalled. Checking the BAIN tabs shows nothing missing or mismatched and the only conflicts are in the meteoric Ayleid weaponry (well, and the OOO esp and esm), which is also in COBL and Frostcrag Reborn. Let's see what that did...

...it made no difference, it seems. All the various in-world mug and alcohol clutter has the proper paths, but it's still a pink bottle when an NPC does the drinking animation.

Hmm...the MMM BSA is FCOM_Convergence - MMM.bsa and the Francesco's BSA is FCOM_Convergence_FraNewItems.bsa. Would that underscore vs. hyphen makea a difference?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:40 pm

Hmm...the MMM BSA is FCOM_Convergence - MMM.bsa and the Francesco's BSA is FCOM_Convergence_FraNewItems.bsa. Would that underscore vs. hyphen makea a difference?

Don't think so, but I'd rename MMM.bsa to FCOM_Convergence_MartsMonsterMod.bsa, as that is known to work. No reason unnecessarily experimenting with the names IMO. Anyway, none of those should affect this issue.

Personally, I think this is a perfect example why one shouldn't start out with a gazillion mods when reinstalling. First, make sure you're running BSA redirection. If that doesn't help, try loading the game with just the core FCOM mods and see if the issue persists. If it does we'll know the issue is with the OOO install - if not, we'll know the issue is with something else.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:16 pm

Personally, I think this is a perfect example why one shouldn't start out with a gazillion mods when reinstalling. First, make sure you're running BSA redirection. If that doesn't help, try loading the game with just the core FCOM mods and see if the issue persists. If it does we'll know the issue is with the OOO install - if not, we'll know the issue is with something else.

BSA redirection is on, and switching to a FCOM-only setup does not eliminate the problem.

Sorry for the long delay. It always seems to take forever to rebuild bashed patches for me.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:04 pm

BSA redirection is on, and switching to a FCOM-only setup does not eliminate the problem.

Sorry for the long delay. It always seems to take forever to rebuild bashed patches for me.

Then it definitely seems to be connected to an issue with the OOO install. You could ensure this by loading a game with just OOO - but I can't see any other FCOM mod that would affect this. Did you use the EXE version of 1.33? It's known to cause issues with Vista. See http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1108040-relz-oscuros-oblivion-overhaul-133/ in the OOO OP.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:10 pm

Then it definitely seems to be connected to an issue with the OOO install. You could ensure this by loading a game with just OOO - but I can't see any other FCOM mod that would affect this. Did you use the EXE version of 1.33? It's known to cause issues with Vista. See http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1108040-relz-oscuros-oblivion-overhaul-133/ in the OOO OP.

I did not--I installed it and the 1.34b5 patch with Wrye Bash. Bash shows the following as properly matched:

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meshes\clutter\Booze\alebottle.nifmeshes\clutter\Booze\beerbottle.nifmeshes\clutter\Booze\brandybottle.nifmeshes\clutter\Booze\meadbottle.nifmeshes\clutter\Booze\winebottle01.nifmeshes\clutter\Booze\winebottle02.nifmeshes\clutter\Booze\winebottle03.nifmeshes\clutter\Booze\winebottle04.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\humanblood.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_black.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_blue.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_cyan.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_gray.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_green.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_orange.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_purple.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_red.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_white.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_yellow.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potionalteration.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potionconjuration.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potiondestruction.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potionillusion.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potionmysticism.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potionpoison.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potionrestoration.niftextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_black.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_black_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_black_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_blue.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_blue_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_blue_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_cyan.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_cyan_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_cyan_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_gray.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_gray_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_gray_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_green.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_green_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_green_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_health.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_orange.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_orange_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_orange_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_purple.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_purple_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_purple_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_red.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_red_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_red_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_white.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_white_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_white_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_yellow.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_yellow_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_yellow_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01alteration.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01alteration_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01alteration_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01conjuration.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01conjuration_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01conjuration_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01destruction.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01destruction_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01destruction_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01illusion.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01illusion_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01illusion_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01mysticism.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01mysticism_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01mysticism_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01poison.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01poison_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01poison_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01restoration.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01restoration_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01restoration_n.dds

So it seems to think they're in the correct place at least.

Hmm...there are no booze textures there, nor in the source .7z file. Should there be?

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:35 am

I did not--I installed it and the 1.34b5 patch with Wrye Bash. Bash shows the following as properly matched:

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meshes\clutter\Booze\alebottle.nifmeshes\clutter\Booze\beerbottle.nifmeshes\clutter\Booze\brandybottle.nifmeshes\clutter\Booze\meadbottle.nifmeshes\clutter\Booze\winebottle01.nifmeshes\clutter\Booze\winebottle02.nifmeshes\clutter\Booze\winebottle03.nifmeshes\clutter\Booze\winebottle04.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\humanblood.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_black.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_blue.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_cyan.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_gray.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_green.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_orange.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_purple.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_red.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_white.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_yellow.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potionalteration.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potionconjuration.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potiondestruction.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potionillusion.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potionmysticism.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potionpoison.nifmeshes\clutter\RCpotions\potionrestoration.niftextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_black.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_black_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_black_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_blue.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_blue_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_blue_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_cyan.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_cyan_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_cyan_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_gray.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_gray_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_gray_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_green.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_green_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_green_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_health.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_orange.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_orange_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_orange_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_purple.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_purple_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_purple_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_red.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_red_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_red_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_white.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_white_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_white_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_yellow.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_yellow_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01_yellow_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01alteration.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01alteration_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01alteration_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01conjuration.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01conjuration_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01conjuration_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01destruction.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01destruction_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01destruction_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01illusion.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01illusion_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01illusion_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01mysticism.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01mysticism_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01mysticism_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01poison.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01poison_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01poison_n.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01restoration.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01restoration_g.ddstextures\clutter\RCpotions\potion01restoration_n.dds

So it seems to think they're in the correct place at least.

Hmm...there are no booze textures there, nor in the source .7z file. Should there be?

Not sure what might be up then really. Correctly installed, the potion meshes/textures should work fine with OOO 1.33. Never heard of that issue.

EDIT: Just checked the booze nifs and they point to textures in: textures\clutter\Newbarset.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:45 pm

Not sure what might be up then really. Correctly installed, the potion meshes/textures should work fine with OOO 1.33. Never heard of that issue.

How odd.

Well, my Bash ordering was all messed up for some reason, so I'll reordered everything, uninstall and then just reinstall down the list. I'll come back (in a few hours :brokencomputer: ) and report the results.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:42 pm

How odd.

Well, my Bash ordering was all messed up for some reason, so I'll reordered everything, uninstall and then just reinstall down the list. I'll come back (in a few hours :brokencomputer: ) and report the results.

I'd recommend installing incrementally. Start a new game with a patched Oblivion and see if it works. Add OOO and see if it works. Add the core FCOM mods and check. Then add other mods while checking for issues/performance.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:11 pm

Well, though my companion mods and no problems yet so far (following http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/walkthroughs/baininstallguide/organize generally). Next Quest mods, then Francesco's, then OOO. No problems so far (except for cringing at the un-Darnified interface).

Is there a way to unpack pre-made OMODs for BAIN installation (thinking of Kragenir's Death Quest specifically)? Google found me http://timeslip.chorrol.com/obmmm/main.htm in another thread, but it's down and even the wayback machine won't pull it up.

Edit: Oh, hey, "Convert to archive." That was easier than I thought. :facepalm:

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:35 pm

Okay.

With various utility bits (refscope, more hotkeys, nGCD, Progress, uncapper addons), companion mods, DLC, unofficial patches, quest mods, Frans and OOO, it works. As soon as I add the rest of FCOM and Bash it together, I get the pink potions again instead of mugs when NPCs are drinking.

Here's the load order the first time I saw the problem:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]06  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]08  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]09  CM Partners.esm0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.10]0B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0D  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp10  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp11  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp12  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]13  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]14  300_Lore_Dialogue_Updated.esp15  kuerteeAutoSaveAndTime.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]16  LinchalNecromancerHome.esp17  Crowded Cities 15.esp18  Crowded Cities 30.esp19  Improved Hotkeys_Extended.esp  [Version 1.1]1A  DLCHorseArmor.esp1B  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1C  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]1D  DLCOrrery.esp1E  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]1F  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]20  DLCVileLair.esp21  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]22  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp23  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]24  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]25  JG Elven.esp26  DLCThievesDen.esp27  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]28  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]29  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.30]2A  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2B  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]2C  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]2D  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp2E  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2F  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]30  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]31  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]32  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]33  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]34  OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.0]35  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]36  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]37  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]38  FCOM_OscurosOverhaul.esp  [Version 0.9.8]39  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3B  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3C  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3D  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3E  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3F  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]40  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]41  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]42  Mart's Monster Mod.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]43  TamrielTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]44  TamrielTravellers4MMM.esp  [Version 1.39c]45  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]46  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp  [Version 3.7b3p]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]47  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]48  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]49  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]4A  300_Artifacts.esp4B  Gift of Kynareth.esp4C  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp4D  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp4E  LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp4F  LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp50  TheForgottenShields.esp51  1SB_VampireHaven.esp52  DLCFrostcrag.esp53  SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2]++  DLCFrostcrag_MysticEmporiumPatch.esp54  The Lost Spires.esp55  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]56  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp++  Skillbased Thieves Guild Invitation_HARD.esp57  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp58  RefScope.esp  [Version 2.0.2]59  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]5A  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]5B  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]5C  MidasSpells.esp++  Midas Betterholy.esp++  Midas Reduced Costs Half.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp++  Midas PowDur2x.esp5D  EnchantmentRestore.esp++  EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp5E  attack and hide medium v2.0.esp5F  No psychic guards v1.2.esp60  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]61  Denock Arrows.esp62  nGCD.esp63  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  nGCD Skeleton Key.esp64  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]65  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]66  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]67  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]68  ProgressRacial.esp69  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]6A  Legendary Abilities-Reflect MOJ.esp  [Version 2.0]6B  Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.76]6C  CM Partners.esp6D  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp6E  CM Partners NPC.esp6F  CM Partners More NPCs.esp70  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp71  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 2.2]72  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]73  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]74  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]75  Bashed Patch, Test.esp

Edit:

EDIT: Just checked the booze nifs and they point to textures in: textures\clutter\Newbarset.

Let's see what TES4Edit can tell me.

...huh. TES4Edit isn't recognizing that any of the FCOM mods are installed.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:57 pm

Okay.

With various utility bits (refscope, more hotkeys, nGCD, Progress, uncapper addons), companion mods, DLC, unofficial patches, quest mods, Frans and OOO, it works. As soon as I add the rest of FCOM and Bash it together, I get the pink potions again instead of mugs when NPCs are drinking.

Here's the load order the first time I saw the problem:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]06  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]08  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]09  CM Partners.esm0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.10]0B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0D  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp10  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp11  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp12  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]13  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]14  300_Lore_Dialogue_Updated.esp15  kuerteeAutoSaveAndTime.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]16  LinchalNecromancerHome.esp17  Crowded Cities 15.esp18  Crowded Cities 30.esp19  Improved Hotkeys_Extended.esp  [Version 1.1]1A  DLCHorseArmor.esp1B  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1C  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]1D  DLCOrrery.esp1E  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]1F  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]20  DLCVileLair.esp21  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]22  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp23  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]24  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]25  JG Elven.esp26  DLCThievesDen.esp27  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]28  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]29  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.30]2A  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2B  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]2C  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]2D  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp2E  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2F  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]30  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]31  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]32  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]33  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]34  OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.0]35  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]36  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]37  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]38  FCOM_OscurosOverhaul.esp  [Version 0.9.8]39  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3B  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3C  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3D  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3E  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3F  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]40  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]41  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]42  Mart's Monster Mod.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]43  TamrielTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]44  TamrielTravellers4MMM.esp  [Version 1.39c]45  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]46  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp  [Version 3.7b3p]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]47  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]48  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]49  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]4A  300_Artifacts.esp4B  Gift of Kynareth.esp4C  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp4D  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp4E  LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp4F  LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp50  TheForgottenShields.esp51  1SB_VampireHaven.esp52  DLCFrostcrag.esp53  SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2]++  DLCFrostcrag_MysticEmporiumPatch.esp54  The Lost Spires.esp55  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]56  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp++  Skillbased Thieves Guild Invitation_HARD.esp57  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp58  RefScope.esp  [Version 2.0.2]59  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]5A  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]5B  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]5C  MidasSpells.esp++  Midas Betterholy.esp++  Midas Reduced Costs Half.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp++  Midas PowDur2x.esp5D  EnchantmentRestore.esp++  EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp5E  attack and hide medium v2.0.esp5F  No psychic guards v1.2.esp60  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]61  Denock Arrows.esp62  nGCD.esp63  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  nGCD Skeleton Key.esp64  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]65  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]66  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]67  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]68  ProgressRacial.esp69  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]6A  Legendary Abilities-Reflect MOJ.esp  [Version 2.0]6B  Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.76]6C  CM Partners.esp6D  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp6E  CM Partners NPC.esp6F  CM Partners More NPCs.esp70  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp71  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 2.2]72  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]73  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]74  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]75  Bashed Patch, Test.esp

Edit:

Let's see what TES4Edit can tell me.

...huh. TES4Edit isn't recognizing that any of the FCOM mods are installed.

Why don't start out with the core, i.e. OOO and the core FCOM mods instead? Seems kind of backwards if you ask me as you basically end up with problems trouble shooting it because of so many mods. You're basically back where you started. If you had checked with only OOO installed you would know if its caused by the install of that.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:23 pm

Why don't start out with the core, i.e. OOO and the core FCOM mods instead? Seems kind of backwards if you ask me as you basically end up with problems trouble shooting it because of so many mods. You're basically back where you started. If you had checked with only OOO installed you would know if its caused by the install of that.

I've been checking as I went along every 3 or 4 added mods.

With various utility bits (refscope, more hotkeys, nGCD, Progress, uncapper addons), companion mods, DLC, unofficial patches, quest mods, Frans and OOO, it works.

You can read that with "it works" after every comma, because I stopped and checked each time.

NPCs drinking works fine after OOO, but after adding MMM, Bob's Armory, Warcry, FCOM and Bashing it, it does not.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:35 pm

I've been checking as I went along every 3 or 4 added mods.

You can read that with "it works" after every comma, because I stopped and checked each time.

NPCs drinking works fine after OOO, but after adding MMM, Bob's Armory, Warcry, FCOM and Bashing it, it does not.

OK, so it works with OOO but not with the rest of FCOM installed. That's weird as I can't see how either MMM, Bob's etc. could affect it. :unsure:

BTW, did you get this fixed?:

TES4Edit isn't recognizing that any of the FCOM mods are installed.

That seems weird in itself.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:18 am

OK, so it works with OOO but not with the rest of FCOM installed. That's weird as I can't see either MMM, Bob's etc. affecting it in any way. :unsure:

You are correct.

Do you have any idea why TES4Edit wouldn't allow me to select any of the FCOM stuff or the Bashed Patch? That's the first thing I'd think of to check, but it won't recognize any of those.

Edit: Oops, Wrye unselected my Bashed Patch for some reason, let's try again...there we go. Let's see what this says.

Edit edit: To be clear, as long as it's Frans->OOO->other bits->MMM->FCOM->uFCOM this shouldn't be happening?

Edit edit edit: Everything under the potion tab is drawing its data from OOO except Elixirs of Exploration, and those are still getting their meshes and textures from OOO. The potions tab doesn't have any beer in it at all. Misc Item also doesn't have any beer or mugs in it.

Checking Oblivion.esm's potions tab shows that Ale, Mead and Beer are properly overridden by OOO with nothing else affecting them. Pewter mugs, clay tankards, etc., under the "Misc Item" tab are properly attributed--which makes sense, since they show up fine when they're clutter items on tables or whatever. It's only when an NPC is drinking that they have a pink bottle.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:14 pm

Do you have any idea why TES4Edit wouldn't allow me to select any of the FCOM stuff or the Bashed Patch? That's the first thing I'd think of to check, but it won't recognize any of those.

No idea, but that might be it somehow. Do they not turn up in TES4Edit - or can't you select them?

EDIT: Also, which Wrye Bash version are you using - and which settings are you checking in it? Should only be Import Graphics that could affect this AFAIK.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:48 pm

No idea, but that might be it somehow. Do they not turn up in TES4Edit - or can't you select them?

EDIT: Also, which Wrye Bash version are you using - and which settings are you checking in it? Should only be Import Graphics that could affect this AFAIK.

Some edits above--it was PEBKAC.

I have Wrye Bash 287. Import Graphics contains the following settings, all of which are checked:

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Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esmMart's Monster Mod.esmJG Elven.esp [A new set of armor, only affects one dungeon]Oblivion WarCry EV.esp.Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.espFCOM_Convergence.espMart's Monster Mod.espMart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.espFCOM_HungersUnitySI.espMart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.espSupremeMagicka.espbgMagicEVShader.esp.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:24 am

Edit edit: To be clear, as long as it's Frans->OOO->other bits->MMM->FCOM->uFCOM this shouldn't be happening?

Yes, it should work fine. Never heard of this issue before.

Edit edit edit: Everything under the potion tab is drawing its data from OOO except Elixirs of Exploration, and those are still getting their meshes and textures from OOO. The potions tab doesn't have any beer in it at all. Misc Item also doesn't have any beer or mugs in it.

Checking Oblivion.esm's potions tab shows that Ale, Mead and Beer are properly overridden by OOO with nothing else affecting them. Pewter mugs, clay tankards, etc., under the "Misc Item" tab are properly attributed--which makes sense, since they show up fine when they're clutter items on tables or whatever. It's only when an NPC is drinking that they have a pink bottle.

OK, so you're only issue is with drinking NPC's. I thought you had missing textures generally for the potions, so I misunderstood that. Still weird as I can't see why FCOM would affect animations in the first case.

Your Import Graphics settings look fine - but this should be something else anyway.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:04 pm

(This post now makes no sense because I edited the wrong post. :brokencomputer: )

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:54 am

Some notes on your load order, but nothing to do with this issue I guess:

32 OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0] - Import Stats and keep unchecked.
33 OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0] - As above.

++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9] - Shouldn't be used with current Cobl/FCOM releases. Use MMM-Cobl.esp instead.

38 FCOM_OscurosOverhaul.esp [Version 0.9.8] - Don't use.

3A Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] - Skip. Only use FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp.

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] - Should both be used? Not using either so not sure. My guess is that you only should use the FCOM variant.
++ FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]

42 Mart's Monster Mod.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] - Don't use.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:57 pm

Some notes on your load order, but nothing to do with this issue I guess:

32 OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0] - Import Stats and keep unchecked.
33 OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0] - As above.

++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9] - Shouldn't be used with current Cobl/FCOM releases. Use MMM-Cobl.esp instead.

38 FCOM_OscurosOverhaul.esp [Version 0.9.8] - Don't use.

3A Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] - Skip. Only use FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp.

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] - Should both be used? Not using either so not sure. My guess is that you only should use the FCOM variant.
++ FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]

42 Mart's Monster Mod.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] - Don't use.

Thanks

I'll fix those and try again.

Before that, I'll try just running all the component mods without FCOM and see if I can get it to load. If so, I'll see how the animation looks there.

Edit: Adding Bob's Armory, Warcry and MMM: Mugs display just fine. Current load order:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]04  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]05  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]06  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]07  CM Partners.esm08  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.10]09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0A  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0B  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]0C  300_Lore_Dialogue_Updated.esp0D  kuerteeAutoSaveAndTime.esp0E  LinchalNecromancerHome.esp0F  Crowded Cities 15.esp10  Crowded Cities 30.esp11  Improved Hotkeys_Extended.esp  [Version 1.1]12  DLCHorseArmor.esp13  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]14  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]15  DLCOrrery.esp16  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]17  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]18  DLCVileLair.esp19  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]1A  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1B  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1C  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]1D  JG Elven.esp1E  DLCThievesDen.esp1F  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]20  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]21  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.30]22  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp23  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp24  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp25  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp26  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp27  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]28  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]29  OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.0]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2A  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp  [Version 3.7b3p]2B  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2C  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2D  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2E  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2F  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]30  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]31  TamrielTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]32  TamrielTravellers4MMM.esp  [Version 1.39c]33  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]34  300_Artifacts.esp35  Gift of Kynareth.esp36  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp37  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp38  LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp39  LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp3A  TheForgottenShields.esp3B  1SB_VampireHaven.esp3C  DLCFrostcrag.esp3D  SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2]++  DLCFrostcrag_MysticEmporiumPatch.esp3E  The Lost Spires.esp3F  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp++  Skillbased Thieves Guild Invitation_HARD.esp40  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp41  RefScope.esp  [Version 2.0.2]42  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]43  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]44  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]45  MidasSpells.esp++  Midas Betterholy.esp++  Midas Reduced Costs Half.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp++  Midas PowDur2x.esp46  EnchantmentRestore.esp++  EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp47  attack and hide medium v2.0.esp48  No psychic guards v1.2.esp49  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]4A  Denock Arrows.esp4B  nGCD.esp4C  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  nGCD Skeleton Key.esp4D  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]4E  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]4F  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]50  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]51  ProgressRacial.esp52  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]53  Legendary Abilities-Reflect MOJ.esp  [Version 2.0]54  Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp55  CM Partners.esp56  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp57  CM Partners NPC.esp58  CM Partners More NPCs.esp59  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp5A  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 2.2]5B  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]5C  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]5D  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp5E  Bashed Patch, Test.esp

Edit edit: BOSS is telling me that Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp doesn't work with the Full OOO, but that Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp requires it. I thought we were supposed to use the MMM Runeskulls bit instead of Exnem's Runeskills and FCOM_Runeskulls. Am I mistaken? Edit Edit Edit: According to http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/walkthroughs/fcomguide/bainconfigfcom, apparently so. Let me fix that as well.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:36 pm

0F Crowded Cities 15.esp
10 Crowded Cities 30.esp

29 OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.0]

31 TamrielTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
32 TamrielTravellers4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]

3F Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]

Use MMM Diverse Runeskulls for OOO

Choose one version of Crowded Cities not both them

You do not need OMOBS optionial combat settings that is for standalone users..OOO already contains them..

If going to use TamrielTravellers in FCOM then you need to use TamrielTravellers4OOO version.

Make sure Harvest Flora is version 3.0.1 (version numbers was never updated so redownload to be on safe side)

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:15 am

Edit edit: BOSS is telling me that Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp doesn't work with the Full OOO, but that Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp requires it. I thought we were supposed to use the MMM Runeskulls bit instead of Exnem's Runeskills and FCOM_Runeskulls. Am I mistaken? Edit Edit Edit: According to http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/walkthroughs/fcomguide/bainconfigfcom, apparently so. Let me fix that as well.

Yeah, use Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:58 am

Diverse Runeskulls is MMM's replacement for that mod. All of those plugins are Diverse Runeskulls add-ons...