Last time I checked, these plugins only have some GMST entries that are duplicates of those in the masters, but they are not any of the "Evil GMSTs", which cause problems because they have changed some of the important GMST values. I'll probably put in a note that they can be safely cleaned, but there's no real harm in leaving them in. (Unless I've overlooked something, in which case, please let me know). Also, I didn't find any GMSTs in bcsounds or AreaAffectArrows.


I'll have to do a little investigation on these, never heard of them before. There are a growing number of plugins that wish "to be loaded last", so I'll need to see where in the list of things to be loaded last these should go.

Edit: Ok, now I understand that Wrye Patches largely rename items so they will group sensibly in inventory, it's not clear to me that the best way to handle them is to put them late in the load order. For example if they conflict with another mod that makes changes to the object that would affect gameplay (like the power of a weapon), then it seems just as likely to me that a user would prefer the gameplay change to override the name change, as name changes may not be that important to them. So, anyone else have an opinion on this one? I'm inclined to leave it up to the user to place these patches where they prefer in their load list.

Thanks for the info! I'll try to get this all in the next update I'm working on.

Okay, I still have the same problem with the mod load order not updating, i click update wait a bit the click close and nothing happens it just reverts to the original load order. It might help that morrowind is not in a standard install directory.

If mlox displays your correct current load order in the left hand pane, it has found your morrowind directory. mlox just needs to be installed under where you run morrowind and it just looks at the directory structure and deduces where the data files are.

After mlox closes it should leave a file called "mlox.err" in the directory in which it runs. Could you open that and post its contents here? (It just contains text,so you should be able to open it with notepad for example).

In the right pane it says some things need to be moved, i click the left pane and nothing, it just sits their, question is mlox supposed to be in the morrowind directory or the morrowind/datafiles directory?

Here is the error message:

lox.exe 0.55 [mlox-base 2009-05-19 00:29:30 (UTC)] (en/cp1252)Python Version: 2.5wxPython Version: 2.8.7.1Traceback (most recent call last):  File "mlox.py", line 1526, in on_update	self.anolyze_loadorder(None)  File "mlox.py", line 1497, in anolyze_loadorder	lo = loadorder().update(fromfile)  File "mlox.py", line 1290, in update	self.update_mod_times(new_order_truename)  File "mlox.py", line 1207, in update_mod_times	os.utime(self.datadir.find_path(p), (-1, mtime))  File "mlox.py", line 211, in find_path	return(os.path.join(self.dir, self.files[f]))  File "ntpath.pyo", line 62, in joinWindowsError: [Error 87] The parameter is incorrectTraceback (most recent call last):  File "mlox.py", line 1526, in on_update	self.anolyze_loadorder(None)  File "mlox.py", line 1497, in anolyze_loadorder	lo = loadorder().update(fromfile)  File "mlox.py", line 1290, in update	self.update_mod_times(new_order_truename)  File "mlox.py", line 1207, in update_mod_times	os.utime(self.datadir.find_path(p), (-1, mtime))  File "mlox.py", line 211, in find_path	return(os.path.join(self.dir, self.files[f]))  File "ntpath.pyo", line 62, in joinWindowsError: [Error 87] The parameter is incorrectTraceback (most recent call last):  File "mlox.py", line 1526, in on_update	self.anolyze_loadorder(None)  File "mlox.py", line 1497, in anolyze_loadorder	lo = loadorder().update(fromfile)  File "mlox.py", line 1290, in update	self.update_mod_times(new_order_truename)  File "mlox.py", line 1207, in update_mod_times	os.utime(self.datadir.find_path(p), (-1, mtime))  File "mlox.py", line 211, in find_path	return(os.path.join(self.dir, self.files[f]))  File "ntpath.pyo", line 62, in joinWindowsError: [Error 87] The parameter is incorrectTraceback (most recent call last):  File "mlox.py", line 1526, in on_update	self.anolyze_loadorder(None)  File "mlox.py", line 1497, in anolyze_loadorder	lo = loadorder().update(fromfile)  File "mlox.py", line 1290, in update	self.update_mod_times(new_order_truename)  File "mlox.py", line 1207, in update_mod_times	os.utime(self.datadir.find_path(p), (-1, mtime))  File "mlox.py", line 211, in find_path	return(os.path.join(self.dir, self.files[f]))  File "ntpath.pyo", line 62, in joinWindowsError: [Error 87] The parameter is incorrect

The Morrowind directory, not the Data Files directory.

Good thats where i have it.

It shouldn't matter as long as mlox is installed somewhere under the morrowind directory. But I advise that when people do not have a preference, to install in the morrowind directory. When the mlox archive is extracted there it creates a morrowind/mlox directory that contains all the stuff mlox needs.

The errors that show up in your mlox.err are pretty interesting. For some reason, the function that is supposed to update the modification date of the plugins is failing. I'll have to look into that some more. But if you can think of any reason why you wouldn't normally be able to update the modification dates of your pluglins, let me know.

It works and sometime's doesent. Im clueless.

Edit: Gotta rephrase the above statment
It Doesn't work, but on occasion it does.

It is most odd that it would work sometimes and not others. Is it possible that some other program has those files open at the same time?

He says he is clicking the pane; he needs to click the update button.

sieboldii

Yeah, but that error listing shows that he must have clicked on the update button. Those function calls only come from that path of execution.

Bump for new release for the rule-base: mlox-data_2009-05-27.7z
Available from: http://code.google.com/p/mlox/downloads/list

Included updates from Pwin, Lord Udedenkz, R.D., Dux2222 and special thanks to user vio, who mailed me the really big chunk of stuff for this update.

New:
Abandoned Well at Dagon Fel (v2) [jman0war]
BC_Palla_Quest_Lite [Big Chief]
NerevarArmor [armor by Enlightened_Daedroth and Soulshade, quests either by Aragon or by Greevar]
Particle Arrow Replacer [ghostnull]
Propylons 1.1 [Charles Cooley]
ROV World [RodrigoVinholo]
Service Requirements [Vanhikes, some updates by makeshiftwings]
Taddeus' Balanced Alchemy [Taddeus]
Taddeus' Balanced Armor [Taddeus]
Taddeus' Balanced Objects [Taddeus]
Taddeus' Balanced Weapons [Taddeus]
Telperion - Ascadian Isles Tree House [Calislahn]
Vvardenfell Druglord [Fliggerty]
Wrye Patches [Wrye]
Zyndaar's Bows [Luchaire, meshes by Zyndaar]

Updated:
Bethesda plugins: EBQ_Artifact.esp, entertainers.esp, master_index.esp
BetterClothes_Patch [Keazen]
Complete Morrowind [Max also known as ~NOBODY~]
Fliggerty's Armor Project 2 [Fliggerty]
Graphic Herbalism [ManaUser]
MTT (Magical Trinkets of Tamriel) [Chris Woods]
Morrowind Inhabitants [scruggs]
MultiMark (multipleteleportmarking2.2) [Marcel Hesslebarth]
NEDE - New Elemental Damage Effects [rocker]
New Beast Bodies 3.3 [LizTail]
New Icons [ManaUser]
SpellFix [Petrus Octavianus]
Sri's Alchemy [Srikandi]
Steel Broadsword Fix v1.2 [quorn]
Wakim's Game Improvments 9 (WGI) [Wakim]

I believe I should be up to date on all requests for rule-base updates. If I have omitted anything or introduced any mistakes (always possible ) let me know! Thanks as always.

That is odd. My (original) files for sure contain GMSTs, although not evil ones. I'll redownload from Bethesda to check this at a later moment. By the way, including the not-evil GMSTs in the notes might be like entering a slippery slope, I now see. For there are also numerous entries in mods that are equal to the entries in the master files -leading to a warning from the tes plugin conflict detector-, entries which are also redundant/unclean, but not evil.

You are right. Object changes override eachother, so the only solution is to merge objects with Testool, I think. I don't know whether ordering matters for Testool's merge?

I downloaded them from PES. Maybe they are slightly different versions. Bleh.


Yes, I believe TESTOOL does use the current order to determine the priority of changes to objects.

Thank you as always for your updates John.moonsugar
I have 2 questions
Isnt the broadsword fix included in one of the unofficial patches?
And the Nudity Response mod is suppsoed to load up after the other V response mods but its not arranged that way

To the best of my knowledge quorn used to have the Steel Broadsword fix in the UUMPP, but removed it and made it separate from the final released MPP. If that's wrong, let me know and I'll fix it.


It would help if you could tell me the names of the plugins involved. Are you talking about NGE (Nudity Greeting Expansion by Glassboy) and VGreetings by Felix? Where can I read more about what their load order should be?

Nudity Greeting expansion is the one, in the readme it says that it should load last after all the other Greetings otherwise it wont work

Hmm, I do not see that. Could you be more specific? The entire contents of the readme that comes with the version of NGE I have is:


I suspect this might be one of those cases where if you are loading a number of greetings plugins, the one you have loaded last will naturally take priority, but it won't necessarily "break" any functionality of the ones before it. And it may be better to allow the user to express their preference through adjusting their own load order. But I could be wrong. If you can point to more info, I'll take a look at it. Thanks.

Thanks for keeping the updates John. Great Work!
There seems to be a small error (or I'm missing something):

[CONFLICT]
Particle Arrows.esp
[ANY
...
'Area Effect Arrows.esp

This is from The Particle Arrow Replaer ReadMe:
"To install the plugin, unzip the files into the Morrowind/Data Files directory. Requires both Tribunl and Bloodmoon to play. Activate the "Particle Arrows.esp" and the "Area Affect Arrows.esp" if you wish to use that."
Cheers.

I've also found an error.

[REQUIRES] !!!'Azriel Addon.esp' Requires: > 'MISSING(Azriel the Merchant.esp)' | (Ref: http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=3040 )

The problem is that you can't have both of those together, or you'll have two Azriel merchants running around.

I'll have to back those 2 out in the next update. Thanks!

Also, can someone confirm that Pursuit Enhanced requires MGE 3.5.6 (or MWSE 0.9.3)?
I'm at the final stages of tests for my new playthrough and I use MGE 3.3.2 (old crappy video card).
Since there is no info in Readme, nor on the Yacoby's/PES websites about the version required,
this info would be very helpful.
Thanks

p.s.
I've followed your advice and "A_flock_of_seagulls" does not corrupt my saves with MCP installed. Thanks again!

John.moonsugar, could you change the way mlox shows its changes? I don't understand what it is that mlox currently shows with the yellow marker and the asterisks, but what I personally would like to know is which files' dates will be changed by mlox. As it is now, some files are not highlighted, although their order will be changed (and therefore at least one date). An example of what I mean is the following: mlox showed a list with the order of numbers 40-45, then in yellow: 59-61, and then normal again 29, 36. But 29<40, so either 29's date will be changed or 40's.

Edit:

[Conflict] Both Spuzzum's "Interior Daylight" and Dark Angel's "Illuminated Windows" add daylight to interior windows. You only need to run one of these plugins. (Ref: readme_spzdl.txt and Illuminated Windows.zip\DrkAngel Readme.doc)SpzInteriorDaylight.espIlluminated Windows.esp; Dragon32 - If someone wants to run them both then Spuzzum's should load after Dark Angel's[Order]Illuminated Windows.espSpzInteriorDaylight.esp

I do not know on what information the ordering is based. I'd say it doesn't matter since TES Plugin Conflict Detector finds no conflicts at all and a quick look with Tesame showed me no obvious dangers..

; JMS - need to confirm if still needed for MCA5.2;[Patch]; "For users of MCA 5/5.1, using LGNPC_SM_MCA5 will fix a hostile spawn point that will conflict with the location of one of the Secret Masters."; (Ref: "LGNPC Secret Masters readme.txt");LGNPC_SM_MCA5.esp;[ALL LGNPC_Secret_Masters_v1_21.esp;	 MCA.esm]

The ESP info itself mentions MCA 5.2, so I'd say this is confirmed.

mlox highlights mods that have moved up in the order with respect to their previous position. It seemed like a decent way to highlight the differences between the old and new lists. But I'm willing to take suggestions for better methods. In answer to which plugin dates are changed by mlox, they all are. After mlox does its sort, it just goes through the whole list of plugins and changes all the dates to be monotonically increasing, according to the new sort.

I'll look into updating Spuzzum's "Interior Daylight" and LGNPC_SM_MCA5 for the next rule-base release. Thanks!

Well, with Antares' Big Mod being updated to version 5.0, the rule base needs to be updated concerning the patch. According to Antares, the patch for ABM 4.0 and MCA 5.2 should work with ABM 5.0.