Hi!

First of all, thanks to all the help I got from people on this forum a few days ago!

I've been trying to fix my load order recently after a few glitches, so I ran BOSS and found that my saved games would freeze while loading.

After a lot of testing, I've finally figured out that it seems to freeze when I have MMM Hunting and Crafting.esp loading BEFORE MMMforOOO.esp in the load order.

This seems weird because I now have all MMM plugins loading after MMMforOOO.esp except for MMM Hunting and Crafting.

Has anyone else seen this problem? If so, how have you fixed it?

This is my current order, everything works except that I can't make any arrows because nothing happens when I try to click on a feather to make a flight:

Oblivion.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
Streamline 3.0.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Living Economy.esp
Living Economy - Items.esp
Cutthroat Merchants.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Durzog Addon.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO+FCOM.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Less Rats.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced Reduced.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - LessReaversInGates.esp

I think your loadorder is everthing except good

Of course it has to load after the MMM for OOO ESP. Move it manually. BOSS has not been run (successfully) on that load order. The most obvious indicator is that you have Streamline NOT loading last. Upgrade Streamline to version 3.1, and get BOSS running properly. Your other options is to order things properly yourself. Your load order is nowhere near complicated for running an overhaul. Move Streamline to the end of your load order, place hunting & crafting after the MAIN ESP, and read the MMM docs in order to fix the order of the other optional modules.

Why should you use this plugin if you aren't even using FCOM : Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO+FCOM.esp

Because it is for OOO or FCOM. and is perfectly fine in the load order.

However, as has been mentioned Hunting & Crafting needs to load after the main esp or it won't work. Do a clean save without H&C if necessary to move it.

Ahh thanks for the lesson

Yeah I should make it clear that this is not the BOSS results. This is because the BOSS order freezes during loading my saved games.

What I ahve here is my old order that is slightly modified so it doesn't freeze.

I've tried "clean saving" to remove MMM Hunting and Crafting. However, as soon as i open my new save and add MMM Hunting and Crafting after MMMforOOO, the game freezes. I've even removed this plugin, saved and waited indoor for 3 days and saved again. As soon as I bring in MMM Hunting and Crafting into the order, it freezes...

After a lot of playing around I've just figured out that it freezes everytime MMM Hunitng and Crafting is after MMMforOOO.esp

If there is no solutions, I can still load up a game with my modified order. The only catch is that I can't make any arrows, it's a little frustrating considering I've played about 110 hours into the game and ran around collecting things to make arrows but oh well

Thanks for the tips so far and yes, I moved Streamline down to the bottom now because it seems to have no affect on my freezing issue

Move MMM.esm up above MMMforOOO.esm that should help the problem. If not then report back?

Are you using any body mod?

I've tried reshuffling the MMM esm files but still no luck and I'm not using body meshes.

It's ok, I can still play my saved games with my "stuffed up" order As I said, I can do everything except make arrows.

Just wanted to say thanks for all the help for the past few days and I've certainly learnt a lesson about being careful with my load order!

I am also not able to create any flights from feathers. I have 10 feathers plus the special tool in my inventory, and am able to make bone shafts successfully, as well as most of the leather stuff (except for the black bear pelt, but that is another issue...).

I am using FCOM, fairly standard install (OOO + MMM + Frans). Here is the load order dump from Wrye Bash:

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm03  Tamrielic Ingredients.esm04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b1]06  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]07  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]08  DLCShiveringIsles.esp09  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0A  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp0B  tollingbrookhollowhome.esp0C  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0D  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp10  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp11  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]12  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]13  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]14  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp15  Cutthroat Merchants.esp16  DLCHorseArmor.esp17  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]18  DLCOrrery.esp19  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]1A  DLCVileLair.esp1B  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1C  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1D  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1E  DLCSpellTomes.esp1F  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]20  DLCThievesDen.esp21  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]22  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]23  ExnemRuneskulls.esp24  FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp  [Version 0.9.9]25  Tamrielic_Ingredients_cOMbo.esp26  FCOM_TamrielicIngredients.esp  [Version 0.9.9]27  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp28  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]29  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp2A  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2B  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]2C  OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp  [Version 1.33]2D  OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp  [Version 1.33]2E  OOO-DLT_Remover.esp  [Version 1.33]2F  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]30  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]31  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]32  FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9]33  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]34  FCOM_NoReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]35  FCOM_NoAdventurersInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]36  Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp  [Version 3.7b1]37  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b1]38  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b1]39  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3A  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3B  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3C  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3D  TIE In.esp  [Version 1.2b]3E  TIE In - ExnemRuneskulls.esp  [Version 1.2b]3F  TIE In - FCOM Convergence.esp  [Version 1.2b]40  TIE In - RealSwords.esp  [Version 1.2b]41  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]42  DLCFrostcrag.esp43  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]44  Knights.esp45  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]46  TIE In - Knights.esp  [Version 1.2b]47  The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp48  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]49  FCOM_DulanCult.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4A  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]4B  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]4C  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]4D  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]4E  TIE In - DLCOrrery.esp  [Version 1.2b]4F  TIE In - DLCThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.2b]50  TIE In - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2b]51  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b1]52  OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp  [Version 1.33]53  BSAloader.esp54  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Most everything else seems to work, but this was the one feature I was especially looking forward to.

Thanks for any help! (and to the devs of this super mod!)