It svcks both of these mods are not advised for use anymore due to causing serious issues with your save games and/or crashes. They added a lot to Skyrim, IMHO...

It would be really awesome if someone who is familiar with the issues their scripts cause and with the knowledge gained since those mods came out could go in and basically re-write the scripts for the mods to eliminate the issues. I am actually surprised that nobody has done this already since there are tons of other "redone" mods already, and because these were pretty popular ones without any other mods that are like them...