My video card costs almost $500 via New Egg about 3 years ago. I will admit that I have a bit of extra expense in shipping and my card would cost considerably less today than it did 3 years ago but even so, $400 for mobo, graphics card, processor, memory, HDD and windows...well...I just don't believe it. And of course one that did cost that much, I don't believe it would look or play any better than an Xbox360 or PS3.

500 GB HDD 45$
4GB DDR3 40$
Antec 100 Case 55$
Antec NEO ECO 520w 60$
5670 70$
Athlon II x2 255 53$
MSI 870 G-45 75$

This will look better than any console.

I suspect that the only place you're going to get a PC today that is NOT better than the consoles is Ebay.

$400 mobo, $500 video card, you're building top of the line stuff there.

Top of the line is nice, but it is serious overkill for games being made today with cross platform focus.



That's a pretty inexpensive rig and will look way better than consoles. Well, maybe not "way" better, but certainly better.

But more importantly, at least in my opinion, will run games that will never come to consoles.

'Walled Garden' is fine for iApps, since there's little need to mod them. Its terrible for open world sandbox games. I can't imagine Civ mods could possibly require as much coding (and the potential for bugs) as Skyrim, so the two are not comparable.

Sure, its theoretically possible, but the big hurdles are:

1) what business model will support the vetting process for mods'

2) 'how will we convince Sony and M$ that its worthwhile'?

Bringing up the Civ mod interface addresses neither.

i dont know how they did it for ut3 but it worked ok

UT3 is a very different case. For that it was maps and mutators. You load up the game and look at a list, add one or more maps to the playlist, select and set up your mutators and then hit play. Vastly different from an open world sandbox game like Skyrim. I would go so far as to say not even comparable.

What do you give us? A full on Creation Kit? Something more linear like a Mission editor similer to an old Tenchu or AOE?

You people and your doomsday theories, I tell ya... :rolleyes:



The reason her graphics is still viable today after 3 years is because she spent 350$ on it. An "ungodly" graphics card would cost you somewhere between 1000-3000$


You misunderstand her post. re-read it. And she is right, 400$ hundred dollars will get you a bunch of recently outdated hardware. I could never in good conscience recommend a 400-500$ computer for gaming.

im just saying it is possible and if the mods are limited for the consoles i dont think its beyond the realm of possibility, epecially since todd has expressed his interest in it

Sorry, I was adding only $100 for the mobo. I was adding $400 for the mobo, processor, HDD, memory....everything else.

Thats not the issue at all.

The issue is mainly how would they pick the mods? It wouldn't just be open like it is on PC. They would have to review and pick mods. But who would do that? Also, would modders make money? Etc. These are the issues. I'm pretty sure it will take them 5 seconds to figure out the 'where it goes on the menu' part of it. It's everything else that they are discussing with Sony and Microsoft.

Laptops were never meant to run games anyway. Even the ones that are games-oriented doesn't convince me, I've always liked to know how much a high-end laptop battery endures playing a resource-intensive game.



Give me 600 or 700 bucks and I'll build you a PC which would run Skyrim, Mass Effect 3 and even BF3 without problems.

And I'm just saying that because of the differences, one cannot be used to say the other is possible. They are totally different cases. Not all mods are equal, as it were. And while Todd has expressed interest, he has also admitted that they are totally clueless about how to make it happen.

I am a PC gamer and I don't mind the idea of mods being ported to console. What people here are trrying to tell you, in case you misread, is that there are serious hardware, software, and licensing limitations with consoles that could make the whole thing not worth it.

1. The hardware might not be up to dealing with certain mods. Some mods require a computer with a lot of grunt, while the other (more complex and worthwhile mods) even require third-party programs running in the background, like how Zumb's Lockpicking Mod required the Oblivion Script Extender.
2. The software on a console is very, very tightly controlled. The game not only needs to be able to use the mod files, but the console firmware has to be able to see, accept, and read the files in the first place.
3. Console distribution is done for profit. That's why people pay money for Xbox Live. Modding, on the other hand, legally cannot be done for money. If mods are to be distributed on consoles, then either they must be distributed completely free to honor the license, or the license must be rewritten to allow modders to claim part of the revenue their mods generate. If I made a mod and distributed it for free online, then later found that Microsoft or Sony were charging money for it (and making a profit on MY work), I would forcibly remove my content from their service unless I got a cut.

Also, gaming PCs are cheap. They cost a bit more than a new release console, but you need to have some sort of computer anyway, and PC games are cheaper than console games (and online multiplayer is free), so it basically pays for itself.

it depends on the extent of the mods, we can all agree that letting us mod the armor and races would work on consoles. ...full adventures and cities, i'm not so sure. I would be happy if we could get any tools at all, even if its just customizing my character however i want. Dear, Bethesda. I know you can give us some tools, i'll take anything i can get. thank you!

I voted no, but dont get me wrong, mods on the consoles should happen and they are 100% possible.

But the ONLY way it could work, is a sort of top ten mod's per month or so structure. The entire data base has far too much garbage and compatability issues to ever be available for consoles. But the most popular mods, the top tens, are on the whole, very stable and the best of what the community can offer. Offering, say, every month's top ten to console users, is very doable and in my opinion, the best way to do it taking into account the logistics.

I disagree. Sony promotes user generated content, take LittleBigPlanet & Modnation Racers, for example.

The problem is that the distribution system (ps network, x live) incurrs cost of mod distribution, which can be quite significant, without getting any payment, other than potentially more people interested in Skyrim.

While the above post has an idea to reduce/manage this problem. Another one appears, who is going to vet all the mods and declare them good and stable for consoles? You can't have a top ten when you are only allowed to choose from ten. Actually you could but that will be just silly.

Also note that PC top tens will be significantly different from Console top ten because the PC top ten are almost always the most complex, gameplay changing mods (Midas, deadly reflex) that console will not be able to support.

I have a 120 and I'm quickly running out of space I'm down to 12gb left free I wish I had a 500gb like my pc.

Heres an anology

>buy a used honda 88
> want the features of a brand new Benz
> get sad when you dont get said features

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seriously; you're on a computer right now that probably costs 400-600 and you have a console. Do the math; you chose console over pc knowing you would get stuck in the "industry money making machine" that is a gaming console.

it's like the people on the BF3 forums baaing over how good the PC graphics are compared to the console graphics. WTF did you expect.... :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

The way I imagine it would work is Bethesda would look at the most popular mods on tesnexus and planetelderscrolls then work on them to make sure they'd be safe to transfer over to consoles.

I don't see how they would offer this service for free, though. It just seems like fan-made DLC to me :shrug:

You underestimate what armor and race mods are. Race mods, particularly if they are adding new eyes/hair, are one of the biggest conflict problems you'll find in the PC mods. PC users who mod OB will be all too familiar with the googley eyes issue race mods can create.

Armor/weapon mods (goods ones anyway) will be using meshes with much higher poly counts and much larger textures than their vanilla counterparts, I doubt the consoles have the hardware required for a lot of them.

So no, we don't all agree that armor and races would work on consoles.

I would like to see them, would save me some money, but I'm not holding my breath on it.