Mojave Wasteland : Fallout: New Vegas

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:10 am

I certainly don't remember such a definite black and white they is gone ending for them.

You mean the ending sliders for Fallout 2?

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:08 pm

And as I've said countless of times:

Can I say what I always said, too? That facts in the Fallout bible partially would be contradicted by both Van Buren and F3 lore? And thus nothing can be taken for granted? No? Well, then I won't.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:10 pm

You mean the ending sliders for Fallout 2?

We all know by now that ending slides canon do not make

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:22 pm

Can I say what I always said, too? That facts in the Fallout bible partially would be contradicted by both Van Buren and F3 lore? And thus nothing can be taken for granted? No? Well, then I won't.

Never heard you say that actually.
And god damnit this franchise needs a serious clean-up.
This is canon, that is canon, this isn't canon.
It's starting to piss me off. (Not you Viv, the franchise is)
For gods sake Bethesda do a collaborated work with Obsidian and get the Fallout Bible started again so this mess can finally be cleared out!

*sigh*
So, The Bible isn't canon? Or is it semi-canon? Or is it canon but is contradicted by another thing that's canon so it's an "unclear canon"?

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:02 pm

Never heard you say that actually.
And god damnit this franchise needs a serious clean-up.
This is canon, that is canon, this isn't canon.
It's starting to piss me off. (Not you Viv, the franchise is)
For gods sake Bethesda do a collaborated work with Obsidian and get the Fallout Bible started again so this mess can finally be cleared out!

*sigh*
So, The Bible isn't canon? Or is it semi-canon? Or is it canon but is contradicted by another thing that's canon so it's an "unclear canon"?

We're about to be overrun. Spike the canon.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:25 pm

We're about to be overrun. Spike the canon.

I did over-use that word didn't I...
That's it, no more [censored by choice] for today.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:39 pm

*sigh*
So, The Bible isn't canon? Or is it semi-canon? Or is it canon but is contradicted by another thing that's canon so it's an "unclear canon"?

Let's say, unclear. Stuff that enhances what actually happens or is said in the first two games is alright. We have to keep in mind that anything else was pretty much just opinion. The ghoul debate is a good example of that. We can only rely on stuff that is actually referred to in the games that are released.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:24 pm

Let's say, unclear. Stuff that enhances what actually happens or is said in the first two games is alright. We have to keep in mind that anything else was pretty much just opinion. The ghoul debate is a good example of that. We can only rely on stuff that is actually referred to in the games that are released.

Ok, got it.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:07 pm

Ok, got it.

Besides they can pull the old cloning bit on the wanamingos.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:40 am

We spend too much time in one area and we ruin that area.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:09 pm

Besides they can pull the old cloning bit on the wanamingos.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081123170651/fallout/images/archive/b/b4/20081123181613!Gary_(clone).jpg
Now there actually is a chance for them returning.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:23 pm

Never heard you say that actually.
And god damnit this franchise needs a serious clean-up.
This is canon, that is canon, this isn't canon.
It's starting to piss me off. (Not you Viv, the franchise is)
For gods sake Bethesda do a collaborated work with Obsidian and get the Fallout Bible started again so this mess can finally be cleared out!

*sigh*
So, The Bible isn't canon? Or is it semi-canon? Or is it canon but is contradicted by another thing that's canon so it's an "unclear canon"?

It's not that complicated. Since Fallout is a video game series the games take priority over everything else, this includes manual flavor material such as the Vault Dweller Memoirs, stuff like the Fallout Bible, and even the All Roads graphic novel. If Bethesda or Obsidian decided to bring Wanamingos back in a future Fallout game then it wouldn't be much of a problem because there's nothing in any of the games saying that they're gone.

Basically, the only true canon is the games. Everything else doesn't really matter and can safely be ignored.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:12 am

Basically, the only true canon is the games. Everything else doesn't really matter and can safely be ignored.

I just hope they never do ignore and actually takes all content into consideration.
If not then it's time for me to leave this franchise.
Not going to sit around and watch it fall apart.
So I'll just pray that that day never comes. :mellow:

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:01 am

Never heard you say that actually.
And god damnit this franchise needs a serious clean-up.
This is canon, that is canon, this isn't canon.
It's starting to piss me off. (Not you Viv, the franchise is)
For gods sake Bethesda do a collaborated work with Obsidian and get the Fallout Bible started again so this mess can finally be cleared out!

*sigh*
So, The Bible isn't canon? Or is it semi-canon? Or is it canon but is contradicted by another thing that's canon so it's an "unclear canon"?

What is Canon? Never even heard about the fallout bible

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:44 pm

What is Canon? Never even heard about the fallout bible

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Bible_0
Did you mean as general "What in the fallout games is canon?" or "What is the word "canon"?"?

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:28 pm

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Bible_0
Did you mean as general "What in the fallout games is canon?" or "What is the word "canon"?"?

Both

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:20 pm

I loved running through the open desert wasteland in Fallout 3.

There was so much to see, and loads of places to explore.

...but.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:32 pm

Both

Erm...
The game has a bunch of what if's right.
So for example, when entering the purifier in Fallout 3 we can either just fix it or enter Eden's serum.
The Official Storyline on the other hand can't have a bunch of what if's.
So when Fallout 4 is made we get to know what ending was the official one.
Like for example: Whether the main character according to the Official Storyline blew up megaton or didn't.
And so on and so on.
That is canon, official storyline. (At least that's how I interpret it)

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:13 pm

Yes itisa good change to be in the mojave. There will be more color and exploration opportunitys rather than the generic to3 abandoned shack or raider camp. We will also be able to scav through the las Vegas ruins.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:47 pm

Erm...
The game has a bunch of what if's right.
So for example, when entering the purifier in Fallout 3 we can either just fix it or enter Eden's serum.
The Official Storyline on the other hand can't have a bunch of what if's.
So when Fallout 4 is made we get to know what ending was the official one.
Like for example: Whether the main character according to the Official Storyline blew up megaton or didn't.
And so on and so on.
That is canon, official storyline. (At least that's how I interpret it)

So if I didn't blow up megaton in the game and the official story said it was "canon" for the vault dweller to blow up megaton. so "canon" is just the official story or path with only one path followed instead of the game were you could choose but that could not be canon?

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:06 pm

So if I didn't blow up megaton in the game and the official story said it was "canon" for the vault dweller to blow up megaton. so "canon" is just the official story or path with only one path followed instead of the game were you could choose but that could not be canon?

/confused.

Hmm, the games gives you a lot of options, and you're allowed to play through these options, but for the actual lore and overall universe storyline then if canon decides that megaton got blown up then it did.
You might have not blown it up but according to Fallout 4 it did and will show it's effects in there.
So there won't be like Mass Effect where we carry our characters over just so that the story won't contradict what the players did.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:57 pm

/confused.

Hmm, the games gives you a lot of options, and you're allowed to play through these options, but for the actual lore and overall universe storyline then if canon decides that megaton got blown up then it did.
You might have not blown it up but according to Fallout 4 it did and will show it's effects in there.
So there won't be like Mass Effect where we carry our characters over just so that the story won't contradict what the players did.

Thanks for the help! Is the fallout bible worth reading?

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:49 pm

Thanks for the help! Is the fallout bible worth reading?

If you want to know more about the fallout lore then yup.
But it's 10 parts long, so expect a very very very long read.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:29 am

Obviously F:NV is not set in Washington D.C, and is instead set in "New Vegas". New Vegas itself is still intact, and there seems to be very little in the way of ruins to explore. One of the best things about FO3 was exploring the ruins of D.C. , fighting Supermutants, making your way through ruined buildings, subways ect. Running around in an open desert doesn't seem very interesting. What is there in the game to add a little exploration, and unknown?

I'm sure there will be plenty of abandoned buildings and settlements scattered around the Mojave. It's not like its a vast, barren, lifeless desert, well not anymore atleast.

» Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:09 pm

I don't know about the rest of you but I hated the metros. They were hands down my least favorite thing about Fallout 3. Although the D.C. ruins were fun to explore I liked the open wasteland a lot more. I think NV will have a lot more areas suited to my play style.