Ol' Molag : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri May 04, 2012 6:30 am

So the Elder Scrolls MMO was just announced. Says that it takes place at the end of the 2nd era.

Big thing though, Molag Bal's tryin' to svck Tamriel into Coldharbour.

So...is there any precedent for this in the existing lore? How would such a thing even be possible?

» Fri May 04, 2012 5:55 pm

One of the ingame books somewhere talks about someone that saw Coldharbour, and saw a ruined version of the Imperial City there. Only possible reference I can think of..

» Fri May 04, 2012 2:23 pm

I was wondering the same thing, but was too busy panicking to ask about it.

» Fri May 04, 2012 4:35 am

The Dragon Broke then? http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/featured/bethesda/elderscrolls/online/cover-reveal/front.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros It would explain why we never heard of it.

» Fri May 04, 2012 6:11 pm

Maybe Molag Bal wen't back in Time to invade?

» Fri May 04, 2012 3:04 pm

Could be a event not to dissimilar to the Oblivion crisis, albeit on a much smaller scale/never came to fruition. Most of the Towers were still active at the time, so...*Shrugs* Still not completely sure how I feel about all this.

» Fri May 04, 2012 4:48 pm

Note how the Oblivion Gates have bits of Daedric terrain around them, and how the Gate of Madness's island has been split into Mania/Dementia halves. I imagine that a similar thing on a cosmological scale is planned by Molag to make Tamriel a mirror of Coldharbour.

» Fri May 04, 2012 4:05 am

Possibly something like http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tal_Marog_Ker%27s_Researches, only on a bigger scale?

» Fri May 04, 2012 11:16 am

Or to make Coldharbour a mirror of Tamriel? If they say he's trying to bring it into his realm, it might be that he is doing the reverse of what Dagon did in 3E433. Or it could just be vague terminology, because I don't see how that could benefit him in any way.

But how could he do it, either way? Sotha Sil's contract with the Daedra was sealed at the end of the First Era, wasn't it?

» Fri May 04, 2012 10:03 am

I...don't know. By the Divines, I hope this isn't going to be a rehash of Oblivion's awfulness.

» Fri May 04, 2012 12:09 pm

I have a feeling that this MMO will pussify our dearest King of Surprise six for the sake of the masses, which is why I'm not sure whether a plot involving Molag Bal is a good thing in this case. In other words, Molag Bal has great potential as a character, and I don't want to see that ruined.

edit: spelling. pff.

» Fri May 04, 2012 10:16 am

Molag Bal is about more than [censored]. He's about domination and corruption and the twisting of mortal souls into something monstrous.

I don't know why it had to be him, though. Wouldn't the war for control of the Empire be enough to base a game around by itself?

» Fri May 04, 2012 5:34 pm

The Dragon Broke then? http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/featured/bethesda/elderscrolls/online/cover-reveal/front.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros It would explain why we never heard of it.

Hmm...I realize it takes place in the past but, if your idea is correct, then I wonder if it is set in an alternate reality (like the one where the numindium destroyed everything in Daggergall) - this will be brilliant if the game turns out god awful

» Fri May 04, 2012 1:04 pm

Molag Bal is about more than [censored]. He's about domination and corruption and the twisting of mortal souls into something monstrous.

I don't know why it had to be him, though. Wouldn't the war for control of the Empire be enough to base a game around by itself?

You would think so, but I guess its a excuse to conduct "lolraids" into his realm.

» Fri May 04, 2012 5:53 pm

There's a story of him destroying a...Bosmeri city? I think that was it. <--- Sotha Sil is no diplomat. He fail at making good deals, it seems.

Or it might be that he's wondering Tamriel due to his affairs with Vivec. Remember that Vivec banished him at Bal Ur. <--- Blame Bal's "invasion" on this irresponsible god-king.

On a more serious note, I hope the devs (ZOL) know what they are doing. though I do expect lore conflicts.

» Fri May 04, 2012 8:15 am

But how could he do it, either way? Sotha Sil's contract with the Daedra was sealed at the end of the First Era, wasn't it?

...And aren't the eight towers that are (supposedly) preventing Nirn from collapsing into Oblivion all doing just fine during the Second Era as well? I mean, considering it's established canon that most of them are still around until the Morrowind/Oblivion years, when they all started dropping like dominoes...

Unless there's some hidden piece of lore I'm missing. Or, you know, somebody accidentally bumped the off switch on them at some point during the Second Era.

» Fri May 04, 2012 11:55 am

Well, the Towers just prevent all-out invasions from Oblivion. It stops Oblivion from entering Mundas, but doesn't stop Mundas from entering Oblivion.

» Fri May 04, 2012 3:25 pm

Molag Bal is about more than [censored]. He's about domination and corruption and the twisting of mortal souls into something monstrous.

I don't know why it had to be him, though. Wouldn't the war for control of the Empire be enough to base a game around by itself?

Because a Daedric Prince like Molag is much more interesting than seeing pathetic humans vying for power. Molag Bal makes for a beautiful storyline. I hope we get to join him. If not, I won't even bother buying the game.

Though I do fear they will butcher him and ruin his character, as the above poster said.

» Fri May 04, 2012 8:38 am

Well, the Towers just prevent all-out invasions from Oblivion. It stops Oblivion from entering Mundas, but doesn't stop Mundas from entering Oblivion.

I thought it worked both ways--that the towers basically keep Oblivion and Nirn separate, preventing either invasion or Mundus collapsing into Oblivion. ...Or maybe it worked that way until Oblivion (the game, that is) retconned it. :tongue:

» Fri May 04, 2012 12:55 pm

There's a story of him destroying a...Bosmeri city? I think that was it. <--- Sotha Sil is no diplomat. He fail at making good deals, it seems.

Or it might be that he's wondering Tamriel due to his affairs with Vivec. Remember that Vivec banished him at Bal Ur. <--- Blame Bal's "invasion" on this irresponsible god-king.

On a more serious note, I hope the devs (ZOL) know what they are doing. though I do expect lore conflicts.

The time that Molag Bal went and stomped around (I want to say Gilverdale?) was before Sotha Sil's pact with the Daedra. Like, almost IMMEDIATELY before. Some crazy cat in Senchal was pissed off that a bard's song made him depressed and then summoned Molag Bal to destroy his hometown. It was actually one of the major impetus (I don't know the plural form... impetuses?) for the pact in the first place to make it so that only certain people could summon the princes.

» Fri May 04, 2012 3:55 am

I thought it worked both ways--that the towers basically keep Oblivion and Nirn separate, preventing either invasion or Mundus collapsing into Oblivion. ...Or maybe it worked that way until Oblivion (the game, that is) retconned it. :tongue:

Yeah, think your right actually.

» Fri May 04, 2012 7:14 am

I thought Coldharbour was already described as a ruined mirror of Tamriel. Admittedly, I can't find a source for that.

There's a story of him destroying a...Bosmeri city? I think that was it. <--- Sotha Sil is no diplomat. He fail at making good deals, it seems.

Yeah, he destroys Gilverdale in http://www.imperial-library.info/content/2920-suns-dawn-book-2.

EDIT: damn, ninja'd.

» Fri May 04, 2012 4:35 pm

Because a Daedric Prince like Molag is much more interesting than seeing pathetic humans vying for power. Molag Bal makes for a beautiful storyline. I hope we get to join him. If not, I won't even bother buying the game.

Though I do fear they will butcher him and ruin his character, as the above poster said.

I honestly wouldn't expect him to have a whole lot of characterization beyond "Imma gonna getcha!" and what not. I do like that Molag is involved instead of ol' Dagon, I'm just not getting my hopes that this will be anything deep.

» Fri May 04, 2012 5:28 am

Yeah, he destroys Gilverdale in 2920.

I thought Coldharbour was already described as a ruined mirror of Tamriel. Admittedly, I can't find a source for that.

Well, "The Doors of Oblivion" (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Doors_of_Oblivion) had this to say:

'The sky is on fire,' I heard him say as he moved on to the next realm. 'The ground is sludge, but traversable. I see blackened ruins all around me, like a war was fought here in the distant past. The air is freezing. I cast blooms of warmth all around me, but it still feels like daggers of ice stabbing me in all directions.'

This was Coldharbour, where Molag Bal was Prince. It appeared to Zenas as if it were a future Nirn, under the King of [censored], desolate and barren, filled with suffering. I could hear Morian Zenas weep at the images he saw, and shiver at the sight of the imperial Palace, spattered with blood and excrement.

» Fri May 04, 2012 10:02 am

I am honestly terrified what this means for the lore. They will probably shove some giant [censored] story that makes no sense in the middle of the 2nd era, disregard all standing lore, and then pussify Molag Bal because they might want to have "standards"

There are no such thing as STANDARDS for the KING OF [censored].

Oh god.