hi guys.

im getting back into oblivion soon and would like some help choosing an overhaul. on one hand there is maskar's oblivion overhaul. i like how it's still being update, the ini is very configurable, and its very simple to install. normally i would choose moo just because of these features, but then i saw the 2011 fcom convergence trailer. now im not sure jaja

which overhaul do you guys prefer?? can i use both together?? sorry for my bad english, its not my first language

go for OOO + kobal's addon, honestly. Without MOO-

why just ooo? and what is kobal's addon?

Kobal has two addons for OOO....

"Creature Addons for OOO"

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1505210-relz-creature-addons-for-oscuros-oblivion-overhaul-ooo/

http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/45380/?

and

"Equipment Addon for OOO"

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1516001-relz-equipment-add-on-for-ooo/

http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/46028/?

I'm currently using the full Creature Addons one and I like it; haven't tried the Equipment one, but it appears to be popular among other people.

I use MOO and am quite happy with it. It is fully configurable and it's only one esp without any compatibility patches. OOO requires compatibility patches for many mods and my load order is almost full.

MOO does not have hand placed loot like OOO, so if you want hand placed loot, you may want to try OOO. You can combine OOO and Maskars.

You can also combine MMM with OOO and MOO.

FCOM is for those who also want all the stuff from Franciscos and War Cry and OOO and MMM together in a single game.

I'm not a fan of FCOM. It's a very high-quality piece of work and the FCOM team have performed miracles getting these major overhauls to works together. For those who want this kind of thing it's an excellent mod. But it's design philosophy doesn't suited my taste. Throwing these major overhauls together feels to me like throwing three gourmet dinners into the same pot and cooking them until they have lost the flavors that made them distinctive. I would much rather experience the creative visions of Oscuro, Franceso and Warcry in separate games.

I am a huge fan of running Oscuro and Martigen together. I don't think of MMM as an "overhaul" in the same sense as OOO and Fran. It was designed to be played with Oscuro if we so choose and I think it complements OOO perfectly. It adds a much-needed sense of unpredictability to OOO's more static creatures, while retaining OOO's gameplay changes.

decided to cut out fcom altogether just because the install process is to much for me. would ooo + equipment addon + mmm + moo be too much? to my knowledge, moo doesn't add much in terms of equipment, especially the more unique ones.

Actually MOO adds quite a bit of new types of equipment. Not the hand placed loot though.

i read on the comments section of moo (the nexus page) that while moo does add some equipment, most of them are hard to find. not sure how i feel about that. im not even sure what it exactly means. if the equipment is hidden in the most far-fetched places (for example a helmet underneath a random rock under the sea), then i'd rather not.

you should play a mod, especially an overhaul, before judging stuff by some random comment on nexus made by a random user. The accountabilty of people on nexus when it comes to overhaul is low to say the least.

actually, it was maskar himself.

I see your point and I also think OOO + MMM is an excellent combo. One thing about FCOM, though, is that it is so highly configurable - you don't HAVE to throw everything plus all the extras together, you can tailor make your FCOM setup pretty much as you like. OOO is the only mod that is a must in an FCOM setup, so in a way it works as an open mod platform with OOO as the base. Personally, I really like the WarCry monsters, for example.

If it is of any help, before I went with Kobal's addon, I had made BAIN packages of FCOM and "MMM for OOO" by following guides from TESCOSI:

http://wiki.theassimilationlab.com/tescosi/FCOM_Installation_Guide

Here's descriptions of various FCOM options:

http://devnull.sweetdanger.net/fcomoptions.html

I feel the same way. From what I've heard others say, though, it sounds like the FCOM team tried to stay closer to the vision of OOO and build the other overhauls around it.

That last point seems to be further backed up reading these descriptions from the FCOM options page:

As I said before, I personally prefer Kobal's Creature Addon, and I especially like the concept behind the Dangerous Daedra plugin. Everyone has different tastes, though. I say use whatever is most enjoyable. By the way, I haven't tried MOO so I don't know what it's like, but I do really like his Basic Primary Needs mod.

Edit: A few posts were made while I was typing this.

do you think you can share the fcom files?? what put me off was mostly the installation procedure.

btw what is the performance cost of fcom??

Unfortunately, I deleted them a couple months ago.

Edit: If you plan to go that route of following the guide(s), plan on setting aside a block of time. At least an hour, depending on how familiar you are with making BAIN/OMOD packages, comfort with filesystem, and how fast you read.

hours just to install fcom?? if thats the case, i think im better off sticking with moo.

Honestly, it's been a few months, and I don't remember how long it took me exactly while following the guides and referencing the site+thread, but I was at least already fairly familiar with tweaking mod folder structures to BAIN format. It took me longer when I was doing OOO and MMM, though; following the guides while referencing the readmes, cuz I wasn't as comfortable with making packages as much. Many other people could probably do it faster than me, however (I'm a slow reader btw). But do plan on setting aside a block of time of at least an hour for everything.

It does take hours - at a minimum.

If that is daunting to you, use MOO - you will not be disappointed.

Cheers!

If I might jump in, I'd recommend downloading MOO after the next update comes out (which should be this week, actually). It will add dynamically generated named boss fights, some of which with really awesome loot.

. It sounds like that may change next week. I am still using an old version from last year (it's about time I upgraded), but even the old version adds tons of new types of gear that is easy to find, like chiten weapons and armor that can be found on dunmer bandits in bandit camps/caves near the Morrowind border.

According to Maskar's latest news update, the newest version of MOO should be available either today or tomorrow. It is finished and currently in testing.

Im using OOO with the new addons + MOO and it is amazing

I suggest MOO over FCOM for many reasons:

• The MOO installation is simple: just install, configure a file ini, enable and play (5-15 minutes). With FCOM you need to perform many steps, install this and test, install that and test, ... , then configure and build the bashed patch (ah, yes FCOM absolutely REQUIRE the bashed patch), rebuild the bashed patch after every little thing you install, ... , eventually install many little esps/addon/remover to configure it, ... , and finally (2+ hours later) play.
• MOO: 1 esp - FCOM: many esps (even 10 or more).
• MOO dynamically alter the game data with scripts, so it can be safely installed and uninstalled on any game, with any mod and with few to none incompatibilities (the few incompatibilities can be disabled in the file ini, so...). FCOM directly alter the game data, so it cause conflict with many mods which alter the same data, and for compatibility problems there's no ini, just more esps!
• FCOM reached its final stage, while MOO is still maintained, updated and add new features in each release.
• FCOM is heavier and less stable than MOO, because the Oblivion engine has limits. FCOM directly alter the data and put everything in the soup, so the game need to handle hundreds of creatures, items and such. MOO dynamically choose and put creatures and items with scripts when needed, so the game is lighter.

Of course, it doesn't mean FCOM is bad. Simply it was created on top of many overhauls and has to glue and merge everything, at the cost of a less performant, stable and user friendly implementation. Should the FCOM team return and rebuild the overhaul to use an implementation similar to MOO, FCOM would rule the world once again!

Anyway, I suggest you install MOO + OOO, which seems to work well together, until the day MOO will have everything.

I'm sure that day is near, as MOO is slowly including everything from FCOM, and it offers many unique features, so (IMHO) MOO already surpassed FCOM.

Game: count how many times I said MOO and FCOM.

I use OOO and MOO together, works out great. Much prefer it over FCOM at this point, not only is installation far easier but in my case the result is far more stable, and I haven't particularly felt the loss of anything from the rest of FC*M.

FCOM is a great compatibility achievement and an impressive project, it's just too much frustration for me.

Is there a way to use TIE with OOO+MOO? Or is it best to pick one overhaul to use alongside MOO?