Hello all!

I just signed up here, but I've played Morrowind and Oblivion to shreds. Naturally, my anticipation for Skyrim is going extreme and thus I will probably be spending some time here for the coming months.

I usually go with a stealth-magic based character, creating the custom class Illusionist. So I'm pretty excited about the underground factions of Skyrim. Have there been any news on it? Will Morag Tong be present, since Vvardenfell and Morrowind are close by? Or even Camonna Tong? Will the Dark Brotherhood be lurking beneath the surface, or will there be a new faction?

If no news or rumors are on this matter, this thread could just be a general discussion on the subject. So, which of these factions would you like to see in Skyrim and why?

Dark Brotherhood has been confirmed but nothing else that i know about.

Great, thanks. Hopefully Morag Tong will also be there. It would be pretty neat to able to choose between, and then get into the middle of some kind of a conflict.

Where was this confirmed?

The Comonna Tong and Morag Tong were organizations exclusive to Morrowind. Not that a similar criminal guild won't appear, but just saying.

I thought the Dark Brotherhood had been confirmed in? Does anyone know?

Indeed, not to mention the Morag Tong wasn't a criminal organization. That's why they have guildhalls in cities, the actual criminal organizations in Morrowind were never QUITE that obvious, at least they hang out in taverns rather than just having a building with a sign that reads "Thieves Guild". The Thieves Guild pretty much just offered to let you join the moment you talked to them, so I can't give them points for subtlety, but at least they weren't able to have actual guildhalls, whereas the Morag Tong could. Ironically, while finding the Morag Tong was easy, joining them was much harder as the point place where you could join was well hidden. But that aside, I could MAYBE see members of the Morag Tong migrating to other provinces and setting up operations with the rest of the Dunmer refugees that fled Morrowind after the business with Red Mountain, but I doubt the Comonna Tong would do well even if they tried, seeing as they were pretty strongly anti-foreigner. You couldn't even join them in Morrowind because they wouldn't let an outlander into their ranks. In Morrowind, that worked well for them because there were a lot of people that did not want the Empire in the province, but in another province, I highly doubt that aspect of the Comonna Tong would be condusive to their success, unless they abandoned what made them what they were in the proccess, in any case, I think we can assume that neither the Comonna Tong nor the Morag Tong are likely to be in Skyrim. Now, we know the Dark Brotherhood is in the game, and I'd expect to see the Thieves Guild as well, or a new organization of similar nature.

I hope that being a freelance Assassin is possible

I don't see the point in trying to bring as much of Morrowind as possible to a place that has 1 dunmer village, and maybe a population that's going to have the highest minority race (the majority being nords, duh, at least at 50%). I get it, Morrowind explored the dunmer's culture and life the best. Can we, for the love of Nurgle and Khorne, let another race have the spot light? Plus, I don't see the reason for having 2 of the 3 on the list, and the reasons why below.

Morag Tong: As much as many of you wish, these guys are not 'good assassins.' They're not the common man's assassins or heroes, or anything of that sort; they're chained dogs used only by petty and rich nobles of the Great Houses of Morrowind, and ONLY operated in Morrowind. The only thing that makes them seem 'good' is that they're not psychotic like the Cyrodiilic branch of the Dark Brotherhood. Everywhere else they are nothing more than assassins to be hunted, just like the Dark Brotherhood. The only problem, nobles are more likely to allow the Dark Brotherhood to operate in secret, as they can be bought and used to assassinate rivals, and are completely open to any buyer. The Morag Tong are not. Not to mention, mer breed slowly. Even after 200 years, I doubt the dunmer population would have recovered all that much, and since they're living in the good graces of the nords, having a bunch of assassins would only draw resentment and distrust to them, especially if the Morag Tong could be traced back. This is something they cannot afford.

Camonna Tong: If they plan on even operating in Skyrim, they're going to have a complete role reversal. While the TG was the new gang on the block in Morrowind, these guys will have to operate as the new kids on the block in Skyrim. However, they're an extremely xenophobic dunmer-only organization. They're not going to be welcomed in Skyrim, especially by another criminal organization. They won't have the numbers or muscle to do much, especially since their ranks are only dunmer, and as I said above, the dunmer are living in Skyrim only because the nords have yet to kick them out or wipe them out.

There also was a Cammona Tong thug in Oblivion so there could be these factions in Skyrim.

There was only 3ish, hardly a presence in Cyrodiil.

It's called being a murderer :tongue: No, but seriously, I get what you're really saying, and that would be cool. But I suppose they would have to program in specific quests around a free-lance assassin, and it would be harder to do that (imo), so it probably won't happen.

Dark Brotherhood is good--I'm glad they'll be in Skyrim. I would like to see something like the Morag Tong and Cammona Tong, but who knows if they plan on doing that? Of course, i haven't read this entire thread, so maybe someone has already confirmed that there will or won't be something similar to the Morrowind-based organizations... :shrug:

If you cut into the Brotherhood's profit, they'll end you. Being a freelance assassin might be the most dangerous occupation in Tamriel. More dangerous than being a lava taste tester.

I would like to see a joinable faction that is similar to the Camonna Tong. I'd like it to be like a darker version of the Thieves Guild and deal with things like Skooma dealing and slavery. They should also be willing to murder. :flame:



Never heard of Radiant Story? :tongue:

You mean, killing anyone you want just like you could do it before?

From what I recall of the interviews, radiant AI gives this option.

Yes, I see your point, especially Hellmouth's comment here above. It would be nice to see some references to Morag Tong though, as they did in the Mehrunes' Razor add-on in Oblivion. I included Camonna Tong probably because when I played Morrowind for the first time I spent days and nights trying to find a way to join them. And when I realized the truth, I wept.

What I am most hoping for in Skyrim, concerning this aspect, is "something new" - as phrased in the title of this thread. By that I mean a new faction controlled by Nords. Understandably it would not be as much about stealth, but maybe some shady, anti-fighters-guild mercenary faction, including both brutes and rogues.

Yes, they were exclusive to Morrowind...



So, if they are around, they would probably be in Skyrim.

I'm waiting for the Barbarian Tong guild! :wink_smile: Wonder if there will be Hold factions you can join.

That would then imply that they've been destroyed.

To clarify, it was the nords of Solstheim, NOT Skyrim, that gave lots of charity to the dunmer in MK's hint. In Skyrim, I would gander to say it was a lot of refugees living in the good graces of the nords. Having the Camonna Tong and Morag Tong would put suspicion and resentment in the minds of the nords, who are not known for being very mer friendly.

In fact, I'd gander to say much of the dunmer culture we knew is pretty much going to change a lot. They're a scattered people, who have been abandoned (likely in their view) by their gods, the daedra and the Tribunal. They live in lands that are nearly a 180 from what they're used to. The fact the nords of Skyrim (not Solstheim, they're a different people) have yet to either kick them out or finish the job speaks how lucky they are, and how much they are being tolerated by the nords. If they began murdering each other and the people who are allowing them to stay, along with having a highly xenophobic gang try to push people around, it would only cause them to be weakened, and bring the hatred and resentment of the nords, who do not need that much pushing to kill off mer.

Oh, forgot to mention the MT is a religious organization. They kill to appease Melphala, and are more religious than the DB. The DB is a much more secular organization, in comparison.

No not necessarily. they were a religious that worshiped Mephala. The Empire was the thing really restricting them to Morrowind, but now with in the Empire's diminished power, it would absolutely make since that this cult would live on with the Dunmer refugees. And the Morag Tong wasn't even exclusive to the dunmer race (my argonian character was in it) so that's even more evidence it may still exist.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mephala

They and the Dark brotherhood are rivals, so i would love to see both

In the way that Wal-mart and Mom&Pop's hardware store are rivals. It's still really unlikely that the Morag Tong has existed at all after the destruction of Morrowind.

Dark Brotherhood...but not like a religious fanatics...just cold-blooded professionals... :mohawk:

The DB should be the more secular organization, compared to the Morag Tong. If anything, it should be the Morag Tong who are the religious fanatics, with each kill in the name of Melphala.