Morality and Grelod the "Kind" : V

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:27 am

There was a thread that reached its end a while ago about this topic, but I didn't entirely get a good idea of this "murder." The best excuse I've found is throwing a cabbage at her in anger and then she subsequently dies from an accident. :/

How do your moral characters accomplish this roadblock?

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:38 pm

I also used a cabbage, involved me using Teleknesis.

On another playthrough, I just walked right in with my Orc Barbarian and smacked her with my Warhammer and left fast and calm.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:37 am

I actually grew up being pushed around, looked down upon, etc... I've actually been pushed to the point of suicidal thoughts and hopelessness... That pain is much much worse than any physical pain you can gain and is something I don't like at all.

When I first saw Grelod and how she is treating those kids, I thought of myself and how I was treated by so many people in my past... I ended up killing Grelod happily with no regrets. Growing up with that kind of pain is something I believe no one should go through and I didn't want to see that happening to any kids... Even though it is just a game!

And I always kill her with a "Shot to the heart!"

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:01 am

Why would a moral character join the DB in the first place?

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:02 pm

i usually love to sneak behind her and slit her throat, then enjoy as all the kids rejoice for her death :banana:

~~even~~ especially on my good characters

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:39 am

Hire a mercenary you don't like. After seeing her cruelty, make a joke about how he should probably kill her. After he kills her, fire him in disgust and never speak with him again.

Why would a moral character join the DB in the first place?

You need to kill her to destroy them.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:23 am

Why would a moral character join the DB in the first place?

It's the only way to destroy them. You can deny your joining of them to Aventus too. Bethesda allowed moral characters a way around it except for killing a woman that deserves to be jailed.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:05 pm

Why would a moral character join the DB in the first place?

after this "event" in the orphanage one gets the option to destroy the brotherhood too, you know? :tops:

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:33 am

If you accept this kind of mission, obviously you're the type to overlook a turn of morality now and again.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:45 am

I actually grew up being pushed around, looked down upon, etc... I've actually been pushed to the point of suicidal thoughts and hopelessness... That pain is much much worse than any physical pain you can gain and is something I don't like at all.

When I first saw Grelod and how she is treating those kids, I thought of myself and how I was treated by so many people in my past... I ended up killing Grelod happily with no regrets. Growing up with that kind of pain is something I believe no one should go through and I didn't want to see that happening to any kids... Even though it is just a game!

And I always kill her with a "Shot to the heart!"

I'm sorry to hear that, but I don't believe she should be killed ruthlessly. It's like the whole "death penalty" thing, though. It's a very subjective thing. Who's right? It's up to the person and their beliefs. Unfortunately, I'm more forgiving!

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:14 pm

Maybe the character feels hatred for those who mistreats children and decided to take matters into his or her own hands.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:57 pm

Hire a mercenary you don't like. After seeing her cruelty, make a joke about how he should probably kill her. After he kills her, fire him in disgust and never speak with him again.

You need to kill her to destroy them.

I actually did that the first time. It wasn't as good as the cabbage, though.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:07 am

If you accept this kind of mission, obviously you're the type to overlook a turn of morality now and again.

You can do this before you accept the mission. Then it truly is just an accident. The character doesn't know what they player knows.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:41 am

She's an abusive old hag. She's gonna die soon anyway, in the Tamielic perspective, don't care if I accidentally dropped some cheese on her horizontally.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:56 pm

Why would a moral character want to join the DB? I find it hard to believe that a moral character would follow up on Aventus' quest. Once you see Grelod in action, I could imagine some justification, but killing in cold blood and moral don't go well together.

IMO, completionist (non-RP), crazy, or sociopathic/evil character = yes
RPing a decent/good/moral character = difficult or impossible

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:36 pm

If you accept this kind of mission, obviously you're the type to overlook a turn of morality now and again.

No. I talked to Aventus and chose the "remain silent" options. As far as my character knows, he's going to Riften to scold the woman, and then he throws a cabbage at her. At least that's the story so far. I like the "disgruntled follower" idea too, but I want to see if there are any better ideas.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:07 am

I punched her for her mistreatment of the children, it resulted in her dying but since the guards didn't care, neither did I.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:33 am

You can do this before you accept the mission. Then it truly is just an accident. The character doesn't know what they player knows.

That's good. I might do that. Although it's not bad to just say, "remain silent" with Aventus.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:54 am

Why would a moral character want to join the DB? I find it hard to believe that a moral character would follow up on Aventus' quest. Once you see Grelod in action, I could imagine some justification, but killing in cold blood and moral don't go well together.

IMO, completionist (non-RP), crazy, or sociopathic/evil character = yes
RPing a decent/good/moral character = difficult or impossible

Read my above posts.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:28 am

I punched her for her mistreatment of the children, it resulted in her dying but since the guards didn't care, neither did I.

I've thought of that, but becoming violent with an old woman like that isn't like my character.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:55 pm

I actually grew up being pushed around, looked down upon, etc... I've actually been pushed to the point of suicidal thoughts and hopelessness... That pain is much much worse than any physical pain you can gain and is something I don't like at all.

When I first saw Grelod and how she is treating those kids, I thought of myself and how I was treated by so many people in my past... I ended up killing Grelod happily with no regrets. Growing up with that kind of pain is something I believe no one should go through and I didn't want to see that happening to any kids... Even though it is just a game!

And I always kill her with a "Shot to the heart!"

I am sorry to hear that but try not letting past events cloud your judgment. After all it is game so I guess no one can really say anything.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:07 am

I'm sorry to hear that, but I don't believe she should be killed ruthlessly. It's like the whole "death penalty" thing, though. It's a very subjective thing. Who's right? It's up to the person and their beliefs. Unfortunately, I'm more forgiving!

Personally, I think she deserves the death penalty. That what I did.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:21 pm

I accepted the mission but just to see by my own eyes what was happening.
Then I enter the orphanage and checked the Aretino version, and confirming it was the truth, I just kill her.
In other regards, I was attacked by many dark brotherhood assasins at that point, and I used that to get their attention. And it worked.
Then I proceeded to their eradication.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:21 am

Read my above posts.

I don't buy it. I'm not criticizing you, but if we're talking role-playing a good character:

In real-life, what would you think of a 250-lb guy who punched an old woman? How about if he was a pro boxer or MMA fighter? (Doesn't really matter if it's a 120-lb person, actually.)

Would an advlt throw a cabbage at an old lady? I'd consider that embarrassing, and it would still be murder.

» Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:42 am

I don't buy it. I'm not criticizing you, but if we're talking role-playing a good character:

In real-life, what would you think of a 250-lb guy who punched an old woman? How about if he was a pro boxer or MMA fighter? (Doesn't really matter if it's a 120-lb person, actually.)

Would an advlt throw a cabbage at an old lady? I'd consider that embarrassing, and it would still be murder.

Mine is justified. Upon seeing how awful she is, it would not be immoral to make a joke about how she deserves to die. If your barbarian bodyguard actually goes through with it, well, that's his problem. Fire him and move on with your life.