They allowed it yes which makes them hypocrites. Still they deal with the problem (unless there is a mention that they didn't). They deal with it by getting the Chosen One to do it. IE covertly. I guess NCR did not want people to think they were anti-capitalist or something.

Powder Gangers were criminals working off their sentence, I think they were even getting paid. Even if they werent they were still working off their time. Some even want to go back to NCR and give up rather then go along with Cook. America used criminals for road work and so on (depending on the state). Some states still do.

I would rather be out working then be stuck in a cell with another person for most of the day every day for years.

Yeah but technically they still allowed it, even if the rangers did deal with it later on. And you could actually make a arguement that the powder gangers in NV aren't much more than slaves either.

Wait a minute why am I speaking out against the NCR all of a sudden? :banghead:

When you talk to some of the powder gangers they make it pretty clear that NCR justice is not always fair, and that they're pretty much using them for cheap labor. I know you cant always take criminals at their word but there still has to be some truth behind it.

Wait a minute why am I speaking out against the NCR all of a sudden? :banghead:

And you couldn't since the powder gangers are without exception (at least the ones you can talk to) convicted criminals working off their sentences. It's harsh but to call it slavery is insane and cheapens what slavery actually is.

They allowed it yes which makes them hypocrites. Still they deal with the problem (unless there is a mention that they didn't). They deal with it by getting the Chosen One to do it. IE covertly. I guess NCR did not want people to think they were anti-capitalist or something.

It be nice if they brought back mesmertron, one thing that was cool in Fallout 3 was you could actually enslave people.

I think they are for Old World Blues. Might be one in the trailer.

Did they release a trailer yet?

Did they release a trailer yet?

No but theres been a couple of screenshots.

It won't, the legate will crown himself as the new Caesar, once he dies then the next will do the same thing.
And if Legion wins then Caesar will create the synthesis which is likely a new order for the Legion which will rule in place of him once he's gone.

Yeah but that quest ends with the Van Grafts siding with NCR because NCR can pay quadruple what the Legion can and in the end for the Van Grafts, money is all that matters.

Which makes it totally a-ok.

Yes it will fall. The legion follows Caeser not his ideals once he's gone it will start to crumble. The Legate is not a suitable leader he's Caligula and his brutality on conquested territory would bring rebellion and uprisings for quicker then the simple resentment people feel about the NCR. Both Mr. House and Marcus believe the legion will succumb to infighting and crumble in the years following Caeser's death. I have no reason to doubt the judgement of both of them.

Yes exactly. House has been around to see the world to fail and has predicted when the bombs would fall. I think out of all people he would be the wisest to know which faction would fall first.

But again the trouble is the game doesn't really support this interpretation of the situation. While the NCR certainly has some issues there's no real support in the game for the idea that they're on the verge of collapse. Again just going off what the game does tell us the NCR seems far more likely to endure than the Legion. It's been around a lot longer, has weathered a lot more crises, isn't built around a single individual, and has actually survived multiple changes of administration post Tandi while still growing. There's no reason for the player character to believe that the Legion is a more stable government or more likely to endure than the NCR or House.



Not necessarily. Even if the NCR falls all the technology they've rebuilt and progress they've made still has a good chance of enduring in smaller communities. The Legion wants to march in and basically take away anything they deem makes people too reliant on it. There's no real support in the game that this is necessary or a good idea for humanity.



But humanity isn't stagnating and the Legion isn't moving forward. The NCR is wealthier, more technologically advanced and larger than at any point in it's history. House is determined to inaguarate a golden age of scientific progress and discovery.



Order has already been brought to most of the wasteland by factions like the NCR and they'd be able to keep doing it if the Legion wasn't stopping them. So if the game gives me an option to help remove the Legion as an obstacle why wouldn't I take it?



But there's no indication in the game anywhere that the Legion is necessary, which again is the problem. If you believe this that's great but the game doesn't support most of your opinions which is why the Legion is the "evil" faction. To actually pick them you have to disregard much of what the game says and just assume things it never tells you and we have no reason to believe is the truth. Or like evil.



But the NCR is pretty stable and in control of all of California, Baja California and parts of Nevada and Oregon quite comfortably. Why would I pick the Legion over them?

I think my opinion on the Legion solidified when I was playing a female character and I was at the Fort, talking to Siri, and she mentioned that some of the legionnaires were talking about "trying me out". Something clicked in my head, and the rest of that play-through was a blur of exploding legionnaire heads, seen through my sniper rifle scope. Even though that character has long since retired, I still find the Legion distasteful, and I can't bring myself to play a pro-Legion character. I've tried. There's just something about them that makes me want to kill them.

Same with me but with a Male character.

I've been down that road too. I've tried, but I just can't make it to the end.

he called you a cupcake? lol... :rofl:

Exactly Ceasers Legion relies on it. They need the slaves to do all the work that they dont want to do. Does NCR use slaves? No. They get around perfectly fine without them to.

Even if Ceaser was going to have slaves he could treat them far better, like they did in ancient Rome then i probably wouldn't have such hatred for it.

I HAD TO KILL THE PRESIDENT...sniffle...sniffle...was a bad day.

What do you mean slaves were treated well in Ancient Rome? Do some research.

What do you mean slaves were treated well in Ancient Rome? Do some research.