Hey folks, I personally really liked the Enclave. And i know im not the only one. Although possessing the best armor in fallout new vegas i was disappointed in how little the role of the enclave was.
If maybe in fallout 4 there could be more references to the enclave, maybe a unique weapon by the enclave or some more scattered remnants are found. Something like that. I was just wondering and hoping you guys could contribute some ideas and maybe someone who can make a difference will come across this

Welcome DD. I am one of the few who believe the Enclave had more going for them than the rig and Navarro. This topic is extremely volatile.

There are even a lot of aspects that Enclave supporters can't agree upon.

For example are they legitimate gov't or a shadow government?
Did they have other bases, plans, etc?

As far as Enclave in NV, with main Enclave operations in FO2 more in the northern realm of California, it isn't surprising that there are only old remnants in the Mojave region. Enclave in California would no doubt be underground, as they would be hunted by NCR. But, they would have had time to prepare. It would have been years after FO2 before the NCR had a army to engage the Enclave.

In terms of Enclave gear, well, it would be nice to get our hands on some nice tech. Enclave combat armor, pulse rifles and pistols, gauss weapons, new PA and other energy weapons would all be fun stuff to play with.

Like evlbastrd said, its a touch subject.

They may come back in some form if Fallout 4 takes place in Chicago due to the existence of the "Chicago Outposts." That's about all we know.

Speaking of future plans and the possibility of future Enclave activity, something we have never touched on...

What do you think of Frank Horrigans dying speech? He seems to imply that there are other plans.

I can't imagine he was in his right mind when he made that little speech about how you "hadn't done anything here." Regardless of what you believe about other bases, the Rig was of massive importance to the Enclave.

But in some way he was right about the work going on. Hence we have Eden and Fallout 3. Although I doubt he was privy to any COG plan Richardson might have had.

True. The weird thing is he is more than willing to blow up the rig as well, IF there wasn't something else going on, why self destruct the base? Horrigan is planning on not letting anyone escape, even Enclave, and that is before he dead. . In my recent play through I think there is some good evidence for something going on behind the scenes.

Not to mention the failed logic of Dr Curling, who says can't just destroy the virus and leave because they could remake from data on rig and Navarro, but releasing the FEV in the rig, would do nothing to Navarro..

Basically a lot of people moan how Enclave could not or should not have been in FO3, yet, the writers leave it wide open. It is not as far fetched as some complain about.

Sidenote, cameo/one of the remnants in NV should have been whats his name? Sgt Granite? Lol.

Because he was raving mad at the thought of being defeated? He killed President Richardson and most of the Enclave's forces. I can't imagine he was thinking "yeah this won't be so bad, we'll come back."


I don't quite follow.



Personally I'm fine with the Enclave being in Fallout 3.

As for others, I think it was just the combination of both the Enclave and the BOS happening to just end up in the same area on the other-side of the country that's the problem for most people.

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OT: If there are Enclave in the next game then I would like to have them have about the amount of involvement they had in New Vegas. You could play through the entire game without even hearing them mentioned.

As far as I know there's no way to fight Horrigan without having sabotaged the reactor first. The Oil Rig is already blowing up by the time he triggers the self destruct. If Horrigan's actions do anything he's probably just trying to speed up the process to take out the Chosen One as well.

Personally I think he's just bluffing, you know after he's been severed in half. There is no way or reason that he would be able to just "self-destruct" the Oil Rig. What is the function built into his suit?

That too. I find it hard to believe anyone actually trusted Horrigan with the ability to unilaterally blow up the Oil Rig.

I think he was only barely tolerated; considered a freak. An enforcer sure, but I can't imagine the President or anyone else allowing him to have that kind of power over them.

Tim Cain mentioned (loosely) that he thought the other side of the country should have had some new threat instead of the old local FEV/supermutant plot. That was West Coast.

** As to the return of the enclave... Myself I defer to the Enclave switchboard operator being totally shocked and disbelieving when he realized that the "Enclave" wise-guy he was talking to was not on the rig.

I think it'd be cool for Frank Horrigan to make a return as a very battered, and barely alive entity. Maybe he and the Enclave could return as a very weakened system, and the only way they've been able to keep a presence by having another government front for them

Lt: Curling says he can't just destroy the virus and leave, because they havw enough data to recreate the virus on rig and Navarro.

So, his plan is to release FEV into the rig...but, that does nothing about Navarro...ie, Navarro could use the data to create the virus. His plan would accomplish nothing.

I took it that Horrigan already set the self-destruct before the fight. Given the CO already accomplished this, I would imagine Horrigan did not know.

The intent of Horrigan is what is important. Why would he do this unless he knew there would be other plans to continue on?

Also: we really don't know if the CO kills the president or not. It is possible to navigate the rig without firing a shot, but it is more fun to have guns blazing.

If they come back it will be in form close to an barbar tribe, do they even have a major bunker to to work from?

It is possible. I vision Chicago about the size of Mojave BoS.

The WC is questionable. My theory is they have bunkers around. How big, who knows. But they were accomplishing mainland ops 70 years before FO2, undetected, and that would be hard to do without some hidden bunkers.

Considering they are the remnants of the United States Government with the full knowledge of any existing COG facilities, I would say yes.

Even if its just what the BOS had at hidden valley, its still something.

They also are supposed to have full administrative access to Posiedo-Net; and that includes the vaults, and the pipboys... AFAIK.

The opening of Fallout 2 was them sending the 'All Clear' (come out) signal to Vault 13.

Exactly, what-ever remains could go literally anywhere they chose at this point.

It can anyway ~with or without link to the lore; or any explanation at all.

** I liked New Vegas' take on the Enclave; (what I've seen of it ~I've never encountered them in the game); I just wish they had not shown up in FO3 (personally).

Vault 13 and 8 are the only vaults they had contact with, due to the deveatation from the war. They sent the all clears to both.

Is that network trouble, (or political)?

(I assume the Pipboys had wireless access of some kind... but they did have a disk reader, so who knows.)


** I was under the impression (not sure where from), that had they known about the Chosen one, they could have accessed their Pipboy remotely.

Where does that come from?


I have very mixed feelings on it but despite what others might say to the contrary it definately seems to me like this was going to be all that was left of the Enclave in Van Buren - they're just the lost Enclave patrol aged 30 years.

You really can't say that for sure.

Well you can't really say it at all, there's no precident. We know that on the Oil Rig they were monitering the other Vaults, Dr Henry says so.