IDK, I'm or separate pauldrens, but TBH it looks molded to the chest piece. then again, it's not really covering his whole shoulder, so maybe he's not wearing any.

That's not what everyone else was saying. They just want Morrowind copy and paste which is over the top. Separate grieves, separate bracers, I mean really, come on, there comes a point of oversaturation. As for the shirt, why? There is only a handful of armor you will see the shirt under, why take the time to code in the situational armor slot?



And thusly proves my point lol. So many opinions are based on people that started with Morrowind and are so entrenched in nostalgia that they don't feel the same awe and inspiration they did with Morrowind because they are too busy wanting a copy of morrowind with better graphics to see how good Oblivion is and how good Skyrim will be because they were too busy trying to compare the two games the whole time to actually experience Oblivion for what it truly was. People need to play games as themselves then after you play the game, judge. Not judge the whole time your playing the game and all you remember about the game was you judging so it wasn't as fun as the first game you played. If I did that with my games, I wouldn't have liked Daggerfall or any other TES game except for Arena or I wouldn't play any other FPS because I played Halo and so on. You have to play a game as if it was the first game of it's type you ever played, you get more enjoyment out of it that way and actually get to see the game for what it truly is. Same goes for those that played Oblivion first, many of them have the same issue of being utterly loyal to Oblivion so they won't like any other game and it will happen with Skyrim as well and so on.

By highlighting, I meant using it (to its full godly extent).
Those options you've listed would be great...but I still want that shirt to show through the armors openings. If that takes significant delevopment time, then forget it. Those options would do just fine.
Who said anything about separate greaves? That wasn't in Morrowind.

Can you please just leave...

The thing is, there weren't separate grieves in Morrowind. I want separate bracers, for I feel they should come along with separate Pauldrens. Because I enjoy customizing my character.

I think you're one of those people that thinks everythign needs to have a use. Because you don't need to have a shirt underneath armor doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the game. Just because you can enchant every piece of equipment doesn't mean you have to.

I doubt it would be that complicated of a feature to develop. All they would have to do is allow clothes under the armor and robes over the armor, it would allow so much defensive enchantment combinations.

lol that was a pretty mean flame war over customization....

as far as the archer goes its definatly a woman... to much shapely side boob to be a man :hubbahubba:

Sorry, still reeling about someone asking for separate greaves in another armor thread, if it was up to them they would customize their armor down to the last thread. I was just using it as an example of too far.



It's more difficult than you think. First they have to code in the slot into the interface. Then they have to make sure the clothes don't clip the meshes of the armor. Then you move into the very reason they were removed. If they are to come back, there is no way in hell they should be enchantable, that is the VERY REASON they were removed in the first place <_<



I'm one of those people? Of course everything should have a use when it comes to your character. What's the point of writing code and working your ass off to keep from mesh clipping if it is useless. People need to realize there is only so much development time. If you spend a ton of it on a feature that has no use other than looks, then you take away from the gameplay or other visual goodies that might actually be more apparent then a shirt under your armor. Sure, if they have extra time put it in but working on it up front and eating up dev time is not a good way to go about it. The only thing that should be using dev time is features that have a use, the rest is icing on the cake.

Have Bosmers ever been attractive?

Quite true. If reducing the amount of armor slots available was supposed tro make the game more balanced, it didn't work.



Pretty simple if you ask me. Because if the game is porrly balanced, then some options can make the game incredibly easy, and many games tend to become boring when they're easy, single player or multiplayer has nothing to do with it. Not to mention poor balance makes some options just superior in every way than others, so of course players who aren't into intentionally crippling their own characters will choose those options, and what's the poiint of having options at all if there's no point in using some of them? The idea of options is that you're supposed to make players stop to consider which one they should choose, and in the end choose the one that best suits how they intend to play the game. Having some options be superior to others all the time defeats that asd it means players just need to choose whichever option is the best.

While certainly, balance is MORE important in single player than multiplayer, that doesn't mean it isn't desirable in single player. If you're going to say it doesn't matter in single player, then why not say the developers should add an item that activates godmode when you put it on while you're at it? Because defending poor balance pretty much amounts to that.

Still, that's no argument against having more armor slots. Because you can balance that, just have different items able to hold different levels of enchantment, and have items like pauldrons and gauntlets or gloves have less enchantment than other items, if you balance the enchantment value of different armor slots properly, there should be no problem.



I won't deny that Morrowind was poorly balanced, but I know there must be better ways to fix it than limiting players' armor customization.

I want to see seperate pauldrons return, and left and right gloves and pauntlets, but I'll remain skeptical about it until either Bethesda confirms it, or we see a screenshot of the inventory which shows shows both a left and right pauldron equipped on the player, with the screenshot giving us a clear view of their names, because until then, no matter how many characters we see without matching pauldrons, it isn't really definite proof.

The females are okay. Here's hoping the males have improved. I would create one if they weren't such a hideous race. Also, I wish my Bosmer could be exceptionally tall. Not Nord tall, but maybe Breton or Imperial? I'd play one hands down.

Actually yes, in games before Morrowind. They were actually tall and slender people of the wood and then they became short stubby people of the annoying city.

It does not at all. I did word it word, but I meant you have to work to achieve it. I spend hundreds of hours in Morrowind farming souls and hunting down Daedric armor to be god like in power. It's not like the developers are just giving me an item that enables god mod, I'm working to become extremely powerful.

If we don't know about the outcome of this issue until the first fan interview, I am going to beg for the question of apparel slots to be included in it.

By the way, do you guys think the first fan interview will take place before E3? Is that how it was for Oblivion and Fallout 3?

We should make a poll. We will make ourselves known...

Working for something doesn't justify god mode. It justifies becoming powerful but there should always be danger when fighting Almalexia or when your horribly outnumbered by Sotha Sil's robots yet all you had to do was gather together money, which wasn't hard in Morrowind and bam, god mode. You should become powerful, I'm not disputing that, but it should make you above any one single person in the world, not multiple powerful people to the point you just flick your finger and they all die. This was the balance they were trying to achieve with level scaling. In Morrowind, it was too easy, because if you just did the main quest then then side quests, you would just destroy everything and have no challenge. They tried to make it more challenging with Oblivion with level scaling to the max and it just made the game tedious when you got past lvl 25. Now with Skyrim, they are trying a balance to try to get it where you will always have a challenge in some form but still feel like your actually getting more powerful as you level.

Daggerfall don't really compare as it was a static 2D paper doll. the problem with

Morrowind's system was that it put a lot of restriction on how items looked. Armor had to cover the entire body part to hide the clothes under, granted Morrowind did not have the option to show skin under the armor either, but showing all sort of clothing would case problems as you has number of cuirass types x number of shirt types. yes many of the cuirasses would just hide the shirt but not iron or female chainmail.
separate pauldrons would magnify this problem.
You could easy have a long skirt over pants as it hide them but a short skirt would cause problems.
I love the armor system in Morrowind but don't see how they could implement it.

Does not look separate for me. the pauldron looks to integrated with the armor because of the straps goes between the leather and iron part. Had the strap gone under I would said YES.

In the trailer, when the player character faces ice wraiths and unsheathes his short sword, the right pauldron moves independently of the cuirass. It seems as if they'd be separate looking at that, because I think with Oblivion, the pauldron just had some sort of morphed movement with the cuirass. Although it could have changed in Skyrim, I don't know.

Number of clothing and armor slots was reduced to make the armor and clothing look better. A problem in Morrowind was that the player looked as he was assembled from parts. The enchanting was nerfed to avoid some overpowered enchants like constant effect restore health. However you could put a better enchant on most items in Oblivion than Morrowind at least with sigil stones. More true as in Morrowind only the high quality items could take decent enchants, in Oblivion everything took the same enchant.

Sure that just wasn't the graphics engine?

Also, this might be a dumb reason, but I think Pauldrens might have a chance at being in the game, only because some o the armors look like they'd allow for it.

No, Oblivion runs on the same engine as Morrowind. Like I said, it was because of enchant stacking that it was scrapped and it was just quicker to leave the extra slots out at the time then try to balance them.

i love the idea it gives more opportunity's for more enchantments

Hey guess what, its a single player game, no ones gunna run into your game and rustle your jimmies. If you feel that multiple armor slots, under clothes slots ect... are over powered and game breaking, let me introduce you to a little thing i like to call self control, thats it, if you don't like it, don't do it, don't limit other people because they choose to unbalance their own character, its none of your business, you play your way, i play my way, don't limit other people because just the very thought of being able to unbalance the game in your favor wakes you up in a cold sweat int the middle of the night. kids these days...