In all honesty, I don't know why. I guess parents don't care if their kids are exposed to violence. But, like I said before, show a nipble, ass, whatever, parents will get stupid and start complaining and whatnot. Rated M games are rated M for a reason, because the game has content that isn't suitable for younger audiences. However, these half-assed parents will still buy the game for their 10 year old. Society is messed up now a days.

This is a hurdle any m rated game creater has to look at nowadays but realistically would any of us or the millions of others
who love beths style not buy it for any reason. i would have bought this game if there was someone in the store yelling that its not good for you
and so would all other mature gamers because though kids play it it is for advlts so don't skimp on the nudity of graphic violence
worst thing would be if we had another fallout where we couldn't even see a raiders head explode am i right
btw i played conkers bad fur day when i was 10 and resident evil when i was 6 and if anything it helped open my eyes

What I find particularly annoying (and not only in this game but in plenty other games as well as films etc.) is how the makers compensate for the lack of 'mature' themes like es-ee-ex etc. by adding more and more 'immature' (:)) content, like a head exploding every few seconds. Seriously... it tires me... it's fun if it happens every now and then but all the frikin' time?

A game like FO3, that glorifies violence so much, is hardly for kids of course.
Nevertheless it's the parents' job to educate their kids the way they see fit, thus if your kid ends up messed up, the blame is primarily yours not bethesda's.

I've never been against six and violence in the media.
I am, however, against all kinds of excessive content for no apparent reason, be it violence, six, drugs or friendly kisses, pretty sunsets and colorful butterflies...

It depends on how the content is portrayed too. In Mass Effect, it was relevant to the characters/story, in Fallout 2, it was relevant to the world (no law, crime and prostitution has risen, etc). The latter is still true in FO3 but Bethesda have watered it down a lot. I'm not really sure why, perhaps Interplay could get away with more considering the game's design which is obviously vastly different from Bethesda's.

exactly this what FO was all about, the waste the desperation the depression ppl willing to do anything to survive/get away from this reality and you given the choice to influence this world.
good rpg was always about presenting you with the choice and you making them (moral or immoral) not about lobotomized version of a game so it can pass the censor laws in Australia.

p.s. its not about the six.

My initial response here would be "Shaddup, all of you." and that would pretty much sum this up.

There are plenty of drugs and dealers in the Capital Wasteland. Actually reading conversations instead of jamming the "A" or "X" button might help you catch on to that stuff.

There were 3, by my count, mentions or acts of prostitution in Fallout 3. You could sleep in the same bed as Nova in Megaton for 120 caps, and the rest is up to you imagination. Then there's Dukov's place where the two women openly admit sleeping with Dukov for enjoyment and protection. After that there's Eulogy Jones and his two slaves. He vaguely mentions Clover being "crazy in the sack".

I think what you're actually wanting is a big city vibe that Fallout 3 lacked. Fallout New Vegas should satisfy that.

Killing children is considered taboo and a bad thing.

3 prosttutes?!
Have you played Fallout 2? New Reno - two prosttutes, a pimp, a drug dealer and five junkies willing to let you sell them to slavery for a dose of jet on every street corner...

Of course that was appropriate for the mood of the place and it would be ridiculously out of place in FO3... yet it makes your '3 mentions of acts of prostitution' comment quite funny.



While obviously blowing the heads off innocent merchants, if you feel like it, isn't.
Hey that's what the 'childkiller' reputation was for!

yes new reno, was full of junkies, pimps and prosttutes at every corner and a more institutionalized version, a [censored] house where u can match yourself or one of your companions with whatever he like ...
same place you could become a porm star or get violated or gamble, join a mob family sleep with the boss wife his daughter and blow his face... and few other things

so yes, 3 prosttutes =


and i as well dont get the taboo about killing children, beside killing few of them by mistake i didnt killed them or wanted too
but i do think its will be way more educational if yo get the option to kill a child and get the child killer label that will [censored] up most of your game, so that you will think twice about it...

But they can't let the player mess up their game via a choice, they won't have fun that way. Heh.

Bethesda's introduced consequence for Child Killer perk would probably be more Regulators spawning, who all die in one shot anyway.

Depends what people consider 'mess up'. I've seen plenty of posters in these forums boasting about their killing sprees.

+ BTW @cuf: "it will be more educational killing a child and getting the childkiller perk?!?! quite an interesting (and disturbing) choice of word there.

Well I meant mess up as in, people don't let you in their town or trade with you, various groups hunt you, etc. That kind of thing you'd expect a child-killer to receive.

How would they know you killed a kid, and why would they really care? I can see the regulators hating you more if they hear that you killed some children but that would be about it I think.

What about teenagers? They're hard to distinguish, and I got the Childkiller reputation in Fallout 2 for killing a teen that looked like an advlt. That was a very sad day for me.

Child-killing conversations arnet allowed on the forums so it's probably best to focus on something else or chat about it elsewhere.

Anyway, where is New Reno in Fallout 2? I started playing it last night, just wondering how far into the game it is so I have some level of comparison. I haven't played Fallout 1 and 2 much.

Well same way they know you're evil, by the karma, or some mechanic to punish you (bounty posted on you). And given that people are on the brink of death, kids are important - that and most people's reaction to it. As for New Reno, I usually hit that after I hit Vault-City

Sorry to drift here, but if there was full blown [censored] in this game and it got dogged, then another game I've played should be dogged as well.

If any of you have played Godfather 2, then you know what I'm talking about. You see all kinds of nipbles in strip clubs in that game. The drug references are just as heavy as well.

Not quite true, or you really dont played it a lot. There are some random junkies, and there is one i know behind Citadel, on door of athena arms. Also there is a ghoul in a far north metro station that is making ultrajet and buys sugar bombs, and sells jet.

About pros, really, this and child killing were toned down or disabled purely due to ESB rating and the general impact on public opinion.

Quick fix in rivet is a certain drug dealer. Also the ghoul at 9th circle on Underword, he is the bar guy, and if you press him you end by "show me the real deal" and you can buy all drugs.

Also there is leo Stehl on megaton, he is a junkie, and sells drugs when he is getting high at night on water plant.

The doctor at rivet curse you if you ask for drugs.

So did you REALLY played the game or just niptick it?

i dont get those fan boys, are you really trying to convince me that FO3 is as mature as FO2 :stare:
*sigh* i really hope beth FO4 and mostly obsidian with FO las vegas change their target audience.

Fallout 4+ and New Vegas should definitely be more advlt in the future, dealing with drugs, diseases, prostitution, slavery, strip clubs, and politically incorrect stuff like that, Fallout 3 was way toned down compared to Fallout 2, it should have been more mature, Fallout is meant to be edgy, if you love the game then you respect what Fallout is about

In the wastes human beings are at their lowest, like Youtube, so it should be a scumpit, like Youtube.

I dont really think that the definition of 'mature' = depravation, decay, death and perversion. In this way, FO3 isnt extreme as a maniac psycopat simulator as FO2 seen to be.

You will still see probabably lots of restrictions because of the market. Way back 90's there was a lot more room to develop games without much repercussion. With the level of revenue and audience at millions i dont think beth will make a new super psycopat game.

After all there is a lot of evil and insanity on FO3, including canibalism.

:thumbsup:

the point isnt that there are no drugs the point is its not nearly as realistic as it should have been for example
child killing may be harrible but this is a game where you can do almost anything and to see restrictions like that
all for some faggy lawyer and the people who dont want to see it also the drugs were way to underplayed
i mean leo stahl hes supposed to be a junkie why not have him die from his addiction or at least be f--d up all the time
my point is games are made to put you in the position of the person your playing in real life you can virtually do anything
and games are becoming the same way but there should be a choice like different levels of brutality as a option at the beginning or something
even G.o.w had nipps and it was extreamly popular and for the ps2 no less and was it banned or outlawed didnt think so

"In 2008, Thompson was permanently disbarred by the Florida Supreme Court for inappropriate conduct, including making false statements to tribunals and disparaging and humiliating litigants"

This is what his wikipedia article states. Basically he can't do anything to the industry anymore, but this will do little to discourage the "parents" and politicians that raise controversy over explicit content in video games. On topic, I agree that Fallout 3 is more toned down than the previous 2 games, and that I would like New Vegas to go for a more sleazy, dystopian image. Maybe even use the original theme used in New Reno, which is one of my favorites: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0UrrVfYLBc. If that doesn't communicate desperation and depravity, I don't know what will. Entering the town at night, neon lights blazing, hokers lining the streets, casinos towering over the ruins, it was so immersive. Funny story, one time I was trading with the general store clerk there, and out of nowhere he shoots at me after finishing our trade. I finished him off quickly, and looted almost everything in the store, including the items and money I traded to him. Best bug ever?