I've played Fallout 3 for a while now, and don't get me wrong, it's a great game. But as a player of a console version of the game(PS3, namely) that can't, or can't easily anyway, be modded, there are a few relatively small things in the game that I would have liked to have seen more like the previous Fallout games, mostly advlt content stuff.

Now I've played all the Fallout games so far, and anyone else that has will probably better understand what I'm talking about here and there. First off is the way F3 was somewhat PG-13'd over it'd predecessors. Granted, I realize you can't get away with as much in a console game as you can in a PC game, especially when the game gets the attention and hype that Fallout 3 has/had. Whereas Fallout 1/2 were a bit more obscure and didn't have the same internet exposure to contend with.

One thing down-scaled from the last Fallout games was prostitution. Greatly. Now I'm not interested in seeing pixelated nipbles, an animated bump n grind, or having a game that moans at me. In the last games you saw people(okay, cut the crap: women) selling themselves all over place. In nearly every town, and in some towns nearly every corner. While it was somewhat amusing to solicit most/all of them, it really helped to get a sense of the desperation in the world and how people were doing any/everything they could to survive, a sense I didn't really get from Fallout 3. F3 has some concern on radiation and it's presence in the world and water sources, but only relatively small handful of people seem to know about it or care.

Another thing, equally naughty, was drug peddling. Now granted, drugs are quite present in F3 and have a reasonable impact on what you do, even allowing you to become addicted(though curiously you don't see any addicts or junkies wandering around ever), but they really seem to more or less come from unseen forces. You never really see any seedy drug dealers, standing around trying to sell you something. Raiders and the like always seem to have some, but dealers, addicts, and sellers of it are MIA. Again, it's not a very big deal. In past games you could sell drugs you found to junkies wandering the streets or buy drugs like Jet from seedy folk all over offering their wares with corny sales pitch lines("Wanna fly?"), and again, it just something that helped you sense the dire situation of the world and how some people were trying so hard to escape reality while others tried their best to profit from it.

Also there is the small issue of slaving. While the system and process for slaving in F3 is pretty decent and works rather well, there isn't the stigma of slaving that came with slaving in the last game, which seems a bit strange. In Fallout 2, you could join in on the trade of selling your fellow man for a quick buck, but doing so made you known as a slaver. And as you can imagine, this made a lot of people a lot less friendly when you talked to them, cutting a number of dialog trees into two line stumps, and in some cases leading to people opening fire on you on sight. Whereas in F3, you gain negative karma, but that's pretty much the end of the repercussions.

Lastly, seeing as I've managed to make a novel out of this post, is children. Or rather the killing of them. I honestly can't see any reason why you should be unable to kill them. Sure, it's an evil thing to do, but so is killing random strangers or selling them as slaves or nuking an entire town. While I can't think of many reasons to go to Little Lamplight and open fire on anything that moves, I'd at least like having the freedom to be able to. In Fallout 2, it was almost fun to do so for the challenge of it, since killing kids made you wanted as a childkiller and would cause random encounters with bounty hunters. There was even a few annoying kids that would harass you so much that killing them seemed justified.

Okay, so that's all I really had. And thank god, because I doubt anyone has the patience to read all that, anyway. Just a few things I'd like to see made more like the originals in future Fallout games. The advlt nature of Fallout was one of the things I liked best about them. Because I'm an advlt, and I like my games to be, too. /end rant

six and drugs would cause parents to "OH NOEZ MY KID WILL BE BAD!!" Then, a huge controversy would start. As for the killing of children, that is not allowed to be discussed here.

'sup NMA

yes i agree also but its another thing a socermom or Jack-off Thompson could [censored] up. :sadvaultboy: :sadvaultboy:

Reason all those aren't added is because Beth didn't want Jack Thompson to start bashing the game.

Yea, pretty much. But someone was willing to risk it before. I'm hopeful someone will be willing to risk it again.

Two people mentioned him, what did he do?

He's a big anti-video game violence/six/maturity activist. A prude that wants to censor the world for you because he knows what's good for you better than you do.

But, Beth games are very well known and always attract media attention. Plus, there are plenty of six mods, but I can't link them.



So, he is a dumb-ass?

He is an attorney that (for some up reason is pretty succesful) that campaigns to ban every single video game that has as much as the word a$s

The game isn't for kids, it's rated 18+. I'm tired of people saying that videogames are marketed to the younger generation when a lot of them clearly arnet.

I think until the industry completely loses this tag and people notice that it's not just 'for kids', stuff like this will be stricter.

Yup, pretty much.

There are druggies and dealers in the game...

Without spoiling anything, there's an addict in Rivet city, a couple in the wasteland wandering about, and plenty of dealers.

Yeah, but that does not mean that their parents won't buy it for them. I am only 13, but my dad feels that I am mature enough to play games like these because I know what is right and wrong, real and fake, how to control myself, and I know how to comprehend the mature content in a video game. However, my brother is one year younger than me, but he is almost the complete opposite. Yet, I have to let him play the game because if I don't he will complain and cry and whatnot.

Thing is, parents are okay with killing people for no reason in video games. But, as soon as a nipble is shown, bam! Controversy starts and stupid people start complaining, like that Jack Thompson dude and Faux News.

I agree with you on that. I think it's all a matter of some of us have been playing games off and on(or addictively as applicable) since we were kids. But we aren't kids anymore and still want to play games. And some of us want games that are grown up like we are. People just need to understand that there at lot of people playing games that aren't kids and not all games are for children. PCs have had a fair few games that are pretty mature, but when it comes to consoles, everyone seems to think it's a kid's game or toy.

but fallout 3 is an 18...(or M depending where you live)

People that sell, sure. But... I guess it's a stereotype and I haven't found a stereotypical dealer. It's doctors or nurses selling drugs with legit meds. Or someone just selling random crap. Like wrenches or tin cans with some drugs.

And while the guy you mention is an apparent addict, he doesn't really play the part much. If you'd played Fallout 2, you'd see what I'm talking about. People in tattered clothes wandering the streets remarking about flowers or clouds or other stoner subjects or shaking up against a building asking for some help with a fix. As many drugs as you can find in the game, you'd expect to see a lot of hardcoe addicts and the like around. Or I would, anyway.

Read my above post.

I know parents who buy their five years old plenty of M rated games. They don't care about the violence. However, I bet you they would feel different about games if they saw some sixual content.

They shouldn't be buying a five year old M rated games, period.

Agreed. People need to spend less time howling at the moon about what's in a game, and more time howling at the parents that buy these games for their or someone else's children.

well that's their own fault.
if parents buy their child a game that's an M prepare for the consequences.

I do not get one thing and that is Fallout is rated 18+. You have to be 18 or older to buy the game so a little kid can not just go to walmart and get it. They have to have a parent buy the game for them and when a parent goes to get the game for them they can read that it is rated M (18+) and they can alo see what all is in the game. Also look at games like Saints Row 2 and GTA 4 they have six and drugs in them but they sell a ton of copys. M rated games should have things like this in there because they make the game feel more real and to me Fallout 3 should not even be rated 18+ more like Teen. The only thing that I can think of that makes it rated 18+ is the six mods people make.

P.S. Hopfuly in Fallout: New Vegas there be somemore things like this.

in ALL seriousness i would like to question one of these parents and ask them this. So you dont mind letting your child blow someones head clean off (which by the way bethesda is very well done in the game :goodjob:) but god forbid the, see a naked person??? ookay whatever stupid parent

because they have half a brain...even though they see an M rating they still buy it. only explanation is they have half a brain and are dumb as hell

Ironic how the latter is 'natural' and the former 'pretty messed up'.

It's a backwards world.