actually, the door doesn't need to be locked in order to do this.

trust me I had to level up my alteration skill this way.

The alternative is a game where everyone spends a lot of time looking ridiculous, hopping around like a rabbit everywhere while simultaneously spamming restoration spells.

In my view that is a broken system.

If you play the same chord on your guitar in your bedroom repeatedly you won't become better. Only if you play something new, more challenging. It has nothing to do with the audience. Apart from that the experience based system isn't perfect, but it is as perfect as it can get in a computer game with limited possibilities. The ES system will never reward you for doing special things, it's always about quantity only and always will be unless computer games are so advanced that they can take into account the challenge of every possible action of the player.



I think I already said that I play games for a challenge. Sorry, but the 'don't like it, don't use it' argument really gets on my nerves. It's like your boss says 'Hey, I could give you 10000$ more each month' and you say 'No, thanks, the 2000$ I currently earn are enough for me'. If there is an easy and fast way to improve my skills then I will do it. Simple as that. It's also a part of role-playing for me by the way - I don't want to play an idiot after all.

In the end it's a matter of taste. But since this thread was about the problem of repetitive button mashing (something only people would do who want to become stronger) I figured I could say a word or two about the problem the ES system in my opinion really has.

I just hope there will be a mod like Oblivion XP asap for people like me.

You want to encroach on other people's gaming experience, concerning an optional feature, for the sake of enhancing your game in a way that you have the option of doing yourself with a little self control.

But you are still talking about options. You are saying that because certain options allow you to do things in a way that you don't want to do them, that those options should be removed for EVERYONE, even people who are pleased by having them, so that you aren't tempted to play the game in a way that you don't wish to (and don't have to).

You want to encroach on other people's gaming experience, concerning an optional feature, for the sake of enhancing your game in a way that you have the option of doing yourself with a little self control.

Keep in mind, I'm basing this on a doubly translated interview and admittedly there is a good possibility we are jumping to conclusions.

However, in addition to jumping and running, hopefully, the devs have made a few more changes to remove the repetitive activities and they might have done this in a very cool way that works for everyone.

there are a lot of different things they could do
- unlock spell only gives boost on locked items
- restoration spells only boost skill during combat
- conjuration only boost when conjured creature causes damage to enemy

etc., lots of possibilities, some of them perhaps more immersive or conducive to RP than the Oblivion system

The only thing is you still repeat them whether or not you're using them in a specific situation, if I cast unlock on locked chests and doors I'm still going to have to do that over and over to level it up only now it would take longer :shrug: again not an issue for me because that's how I play anyway but why make it harder for those with a different play style?

When I finally get to play this game that we have been waiting on for 5 years, I absolutely do not want to spend hours of precious game time casting detect life on myself over and over in order to unlock a perk.

It's a mystery to me how they implemented these changes, but hopefully we will see more details revealed in the Skyrim Fan Interview and E3.

It's called self-restraint, with some patience thrown in. Who cares if you can't get that perk on the next level up, you'll be able to get it eventually. It's not like your game will end if you don't. I admit I did a bit of spamming in Oblivion with my Bound Helmet spell, but that's only because the early Conjuration spells svcked, especially for a Spellsword wearing Heavy Armour and carrying a Longsword. The only spell in that school that was of any use to me required a higher level than I started out with so I tried to get to it ASAP. After that though, it didn't matter one bit.

- restoration spells only give XP when cast during combat

- restoration spells only give XP when cast during combat

The only reason I spammed spells in Oblivion was to be able to cast the Journeyman spells that I already purchased (once or twice I did it to unlock Expert spells), not to increase character level.

One easy fix could be to unlock the Apprentice, Journeyman, Expert, Master level spells based on your character level instead of the skill level. Or maybe the devs have already come up with some other, more ingenious solution.

The only reason I spammed spells in Oblivion was to be able to cast the Journeyman spells that I already purchased (once or twice I did it to unlock Expert spells), not to increase character level.

I suspect that is a big reason why lots of people spammed spells, to be able to cast the higher level spells or unlock them for the spell making altar.

One easy fix could be to unlock the Apprentice, Journeyman, Expert, Master level spells based on your character level instead of the skill level. Or maybe the devs have already come up with some other, more ingenious solution.

Neither one is a good reason to take away an option that some people like,

sigh more lazy developing ideas from Bethesda. A good way to solve this would've been to rebalance experience gain so that its faster

Is there anyone who loves casting spells repeatedly for hours? I would be surprised to find someone who does.

Who likes this? These are all just loopholes that need to be closed, the same way you cannot increase destruction by casting a fireball on a tree.

If I understand your previous posts, you are saying that it you don't care about this because you have the willpower to avoid using it.

Is there anyone who loves casting spells repeatedly for hours? I would be surprised to find someone who does.

There can be certain checks put into place for some spells, but for others there's just no way to prevent it being abused other than restraint.

And no one is forcing you to do so, that's entirely your choice. Don't blame the game for your own shortcomings.

I have faith that the devs have come up with some great solutions.

How do you prevent someone from getting credit for casting a Light spell, or something like Feather? There's some spells that you just won't be able to put an appropriate check in place for. And the only thing that's going to be able to prevent you from spamming them will be self-control. This notion that someone else is going to take care of your problems for you is ludicrous frankly, the solution is nothing more simple than taking responsibility for your own actions.

Some new info in the recent Todd Howard interview published by Norwegian magazine Gamer.no





This is great news IMO. I hated casting spells over and over in a meaningless way to get to Journeyman or Expert level, etc.

Rest in pieces repetitive spell casting! :celebrate: :celebration: My poor fingers can rest.

If we get perks from skills and not from leveling up, then we can obtain much more perks than, for example, 1 perk per level in FO3. Sounds like fun!

So how do you think this will work? what do we get when we level up? increase to Health, Magicka and Stamina only?

How do you prevent someone from getting credit for casting a Light spell, or something like Feather?

It doesn't make sense to be able to sit around and keep pressing a button to increase Alteration, or Restoration but Blade, Block and Blunt only increase during meaningful gameplay when you are actually using your sword, blunt weapon or shield in a fight, for example.