Morgiah's First : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:38 am

it's one thing to be popular :hugs: with men, and it's another to be popular :hubbahubba: with men.

Put it this way then: Barenziah never gets a chance to close her legs because of all the traffic going in and out between them.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:49 am

Perhaps she's referring to her "first" lover or something...

And perhaps he happened to be a young Altmer.

After all, wouldn't Mannimarco want to inhabit a body closely resembling his original? (Assuming that he actually inhabited a new body by lore and that Oblivion's representation was in any way accurate. He was depicted as a non-Lich Altmer man as far back as the Trial of Vivec and other forum posts in 2004)

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:44 am

If I remember right, DC has Gortwog as the ambusher who killed Lysandus, but I preferred the version where he was less implicated. Gortwog's more interesting if he's not a run-of-the-mill barbarian.

But back to Firsts - I know it's not canon anymore, but I think it would be interesting nonetheless to have some light shed on the early development. To satisfy curiosity etc.

How is it not canon anymore? Morgiahs Queen Consort of Firsthold, isnt she?

Well, I really don't think it would have been her virginity. At the time Mannimarco wasn't really in the best shape for coitus, seeing as he was mostly just dusty bones; his flesh would have rotted away many, many centuries ago. Also there's not really a good reason as to why he would want her virginity, including he didn't even want her first child in the first place. The idea is silly all around.

It really cant be her virginity. Morgiah is a Dunmer woman, and in Daggerfall times that meant being naturally promiscuous (and like Barenziah, I first had to look the word up).

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:09 am

Perhaps she's referring to her "first" lover or something...

And perhaps he happened to be a young Altmer.

After all, wouldn't Mannimarco want to inhabit a body closely resembling his original? (Assuming that he actually inhabited a new body by lore and that Oblivion's representation was in any way accurate. He was depicted as a non-Lich Altmer man as far back as the Trial of Vivec and other forum posts in 2004)

That's an interesting theory; a nice marriage of pre and post Oblivion lore.

How is it not canon anymore? Morgiahs Queen Consort of Firsthold, isnt she?

What I meant was the assertion that her 'first' is not her first-born child - Loranna's RP (which eventually became canon lore iirc) involved a storyline in which her child was the 'first' the note referred to.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:27 am

Perhaps she's referring to her "first" lover or something...

And perhaps he happened to be a young Altmer.

After all, wouldn't Mannimarco want to inhabit a body closely resembling his original? (Assuming that he actually inhabited a new body by lore and that Oblivion's representation was in any way accurate. He was depicted as a non-Lich Altmer man as far back as the Trial of Vivec and other forum posts in 2004)

Now -that- is an interesting idea...sick and a little creepy, but she is a Dunmer after all...

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:41 pm

What I meant was the assertion that her 'first' is not her first-born child - Loranna's RP (which eventually became canon lore iirc) involved a storyline in which her child was the 'first' the note referred to.

No, AFAIK. It certainly inspired the (PGE 3ed) Morrowind lore, but it isnt itself canon.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:35 am

No, AFAIK. It certainly inspired the (PGE 3ed) Morrowind lore, but it isnt itself canon.

Oh, ok. I just assumed it was because Tedders wrote it.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:53 pm

Tedders said it was the other way around -- he was told by Bethesda stuff that were planned for the future (such as the abolition of slavery) and he managed to get these things in the RP. It was not Loranna's RP becoming canon, but merely it getting spoilers without knowing it.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:59 am

So at least the Loranna RP people are innocent of the abnominations of the 3ed RPG. Heh.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:36 am

I'm pretty sure it refers to her firstborn, although we've never heard of it since.

If by "the book" you're referring to the Daggerfall Chronicles thing, don't listen to it -- it gets a lot of major plot details wrong, particularly the whole thing with the orcs and Lysandus' death.

I made a character for a roleplay who was supposed to be Morgiah's First Born based on this- I had always assumed that was what was meant.

Perhaps she's referring to her "first" lover or something...

And perhaps he happened to be a young Altmer.

After all, wouldn't Mannimarco want to inhabit a body closely resembling his original? (Assuming that he actually inhabited a new body by lore and that Oblivion's representation was in any way accurate. He was depicted as a non-Lich Altmer man as far back as the Trial of Vivec and other forum posts in 2004)

Ooh, I like that one.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:29 am

i sort of thought of the whole "first" bit like this:

player: it's gotta be her first born.
devs: it's not her first born.
player: but it's what makes the most sense!
devs: it's NOT her first born.
player: fine, i guess it's something else.
devs: HA HA! it is her first born.

on another note, if it's not her first born, first love, or first husband, i wonder if it's like her first decree as queen, or her first as in she swear aliegance to the king of worms first and foremost before any other.

plus i find it humorous that morgiah is not the catch everyone claims her to be, as the rumor paint her as an ill tempered brat, just not as devious as elysana.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:41 am

I still prefer Ted's interpretation in Loranna's RP, mentioned by Rumple above: the first-born son, who is possessed/brainwashed by Mannimarco when he comes of age but is rescued by a group of heroes. Ted's Mannimarco is the powerful lich/god that he was supposed to be, not the "Oblivion" version.

I guess it won't be canon, but it worked.