In the Daggefall letters, it says that Morgiah will give Kingy her "First". However, the guide says that it isn't her first born child. I'm confused, so I'm forced the ask the Lore buffs.

What is Morgaihs "First"?

What guide?

That big Daggerfall book. Not sure what it's called but Rumpleteasza refuses to copy it for me.

I wouldn't know the First either. In the context of necromancers and Dunmer woman I can't really thing of anything other then First born, I don't think there was any virginity left to give.

at the risk of sounding creepy he could use some spell to restore it or something :shrug:

another option could perhaps be her first city/kingdom/power? as in she is now obligated to give him firsthold.

eh, just random crackpot.

After I suggested Morgiah might have agreed to being boned by a Letch? You have to try harder today.

Over here hyman restoration is all the rage for young Muslim woman who are about to get married. Though I never quite understand that. If it's the thought that counts then the physical state shouldn't matter and if it's the physical state that matters, then what is point when the thought has already been violated?

I'd think that what ever magic is involved with virginity also works on the latter principle. If not the value of virgins would rapidly deflate to the point where every dragon just hires a touched up working girl to keep him company.

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*Yes, I'm aware it's about purity and such but that never seemed to play much of a mythical role, so I'm not going to ruin some good ribaldry with it.

Head being filled with horrible images. Help!

bb you know I'll give you anything you ask. I photo'd some pages for you; I'm a busy woman you know!

The pages of the Daggerfall Chronicles the OP is referring to are http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Rumpleteasza/Elder%20Scrolls/DaggerfallChronicles2.jpg and http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Rumpleteasza/Elder%20Scrolls/DaggerfallChronicles3.jpg Whatever this idea was, it was dropped in favour of the storyline in Loranna's RP - but I'd still really love to know what the original idea was. They must have had something basic worked out if they knew enough to assert that it wasn't her firstborn.


Honestly, I'm not a fan of the virginity idea, I think it's too much of a cliche. I have a few ideas of my own, but they're more along the lines of making the events fit the riddle, not the riddle fit the events. There aren't a lot of things you can refer to as 'first' in the kind of bargain Morgiah and KoW made; the obvious has already been suggested. Can we get MK or Tedders - someone, anyone - to shed light on the original meaning of this? Surely ten years has been patience enough

15 years this april.

Shoot, that's 5 years more I should be adding to my age.

I'm pretty sure it refers to her firstborn, although we've never heard of it since.

If by "the book" you're referring to the Daggerfall Chronicles thing, don't listen to it -- it gets a lot of major plot details wrong, particularly the whole thing with the orcs and Lysandus' death.

If I remember right, DC has Gortwog as the ambusher who killed Lysandus, but I preferred the version where he was less implicated. Gortwog's more interesting if he's not a run-of-the-mill barbarian.

But back to Firsts - I know it's not canon anymore, but I think it would be interesting nonetheless to have some light shed on the early development. To satisfy curiosity etc.

Well it's there. It meant something at some point in time and I don't think DC was sarcastic. So we got people, things and services to pick from and I'm blanks on each of them.

You shouldn't trust Ronald Wartow.

The DC really does svck. It's not a contradictory version of events seen from a different perspective (i.e. TES's modus operandi) but, rather, a really badly put-together story summary that gets lots of the facts wrong entirely. Disregard it and listen only to the primary sources.

Well, I really don't think it would have been her virginity. At the time Mannimarco wasn't really in the best shape for coitus, seeing as he was mostly just dusty bones; his flesh would have rotted away many, many centuries ago. Also there's not really a good reason as to why he would want her virginity, including he didn't even want her first child in the first place. The idea is silly all around.

Also if you take her virginity, all you have is a set of stained sheets and a fun story to tell the zombies on the weekends. If you have her firstborn child who would be the heir to the throne of Firsthold, you've got potential. Aside from that, the Real Barenziah had that section about Elves not having too many children, so he'd have generally less risk of this child he removes being rejected outright upon his return.

And yet he surrounded himself with sixy dancers, for some strange reason.

It was all the rage back then for cults to have sixy naked dancers. It's sad to say that in the following decades, a good many sixy dancers were put out of work.

So he can't appreciate art without sticking his Johnson into it? :jammasterjay:

Well, Liches flesh can be restored with Illusion spells, and we've had some great advances in Lich and Illusion technology recently, so we can't say its out of the question.

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t22/Rumple_teasza/King%20of%20Worms/KOWpimpinhishos.jpg

Looks like he's making a little "ooh" face inside the cloak.

Him being a "stiff" 'n all...

funny rumors of morgiah:

"I suppose it is time that Princess Morgiah married. But who would want her? "
"Princess Morgiah's mood has worsened. And no one has as bad a temper as she."
"How could we crown the brother of a manipulative witch like Princess Morgiah? "
"If it weren't for Morgiah's reputation, Wayrest would embrace her brother. "
"Princess Morgiah is engaged to the King of Firsthold. A miracle of god indeed. "
"What could've possessed the King of Firsthold to propose marriage to Morgiah? "

lol gives a good perception of her.

morgiah's first...hmm. i would've thought first love, but according to the rumors, morgiah wasn't popular among men, at least relationship-wise. maybe she probably takes after her mother.

No, because Barenziah was as popular with Men as an Altmer is snooty (which is alot).

it's one thing to be popular :hugs: with men, and it's another to be popular :hubbahubba: with men.