Morihaus says that to Pelinal?s severed head on the Adabal-a.

I understand the Pelinal is an aspect of Lorkhan, or an incarnation of him, right? So what did Morihaus mean by "as fox animal or light"? Is it meant to be taken literally. Did Pelinal re-incarnated as something else?

If you mean "literal" in the sense that Pelinal came back as a literal fox or sunlight...then no.

If you mean "literal" in the sense that Pelinal came back as an another aspect of Aka or Shor, then I'm gonna say yes.

If you mean "literal" in the sense that Pelinal came back as a literal fox or sunlight...then no.

If you mean "literal" in the sense that Pelinal came back as an another aspect of Aka and/or Shor, then I'm gonna say yes.

Arnand the Fox is probably what he refers to as "a fox" :shrug:

Or Hans the Fox, another known aspect of Shezzar.

EDIT: Or at least claimed to be so by Mannimarco.

Or Arnand and Hans are really the same thing that appears different because of a screwup

Yes, I think i read that comment from Mannimarco, but who was Arnand/Hans?



Yes, that?s what i meant

Ah, my apologies.

Aspect of Lorkhan.

Is that the case? I thought the two names were deliberate, like one was his name in High Rock and the other in Cyrodiil.

It's extremely telling that the Bull refers to Pelinal as "uncle", since Lorkhan would indeed be the uncle of a nephew of Kynareth, in a way. From this perspective any and all incarnations of Shezzar before or after Pelinal are for all intents and purposes the same person. (A certain comment made by Pelinal seems to imply that for Shor, time is not linear. He vaguely remembers the player character, but doesn't remember if it's from the past or the future and even disregards it as irrelevant. I have my own theory that he recognizes the player himself and not the coc, meaning that as he has CHIM he can see through the screen and into 'our world'. He would remember you, the person playing the game, from when you played Morrowind and freed his Heart.)

Here's my take on that: Shor is outside linear time, this is true. That's because he is both himself and Akatosh, who is himself time and therefore not bound by its linear perception. As such, Pelinal's spirit (as in the part that was just Pelinal) recognized you as the one who would mantle him because in the future you were him.

which leads to a question, is it different to mantle Shor than someone else? Since you technically mantle pelinal, but pelinal is shor, so is the CoC a shezzarine?

I apologise, my shift key isn't very good.

Your mouth is stuffed with birds, sadly.


I still like the idea that Shezzar can actually see the person behind the game character, in the lore anyway. It's an interesting idea to build on and I may make a thread about it at some point. That could give the "past or future" comment a double meaning, in case another form of Shor appears in the next game. Pelinal could claim to have already met the person when he or she kills/helps him in the next ES, even though from our perspective that hasn't happened yet (some early, ambiguously credible sources seem to indicate that some cult may be attempting to bodily reincarnate Lorkhan in full, not just an avatar, which would naturally mean the end of the world itself).

It's a pretty cool idea to juggle around, I think. I think I'll just stick with the nonlinear Akatosh thing myself though.