Person 1: has .
Person 2: No it doesn't.
Person 1: Yes it does, as evidenced by , and .
Person 2: Well, obviously you haven't played the game.
Person 1: I've played the game for hours, using different characters and maintain that it has .
Person 2: Well...... the other game is worse!

Repeat.

it's bigger than a house, Attacking a silt strider would be like attacking King Kong only with swords instead of guns

Nor while fast travelling ('walking') in Oblivion. And between the two, which would you say is more likely -- being attacked while on an insect the size of a house, or being attacked while travelling alone on foot in the wilderness?

Any time I was attacked while riding the siltstrider, driver and insect were able to handle the incident without asking the passengers for help, and everyone was too polite to mention the brouhaha after we reached our destination. If I were attacked while alone on foot, I'd expect to have to deal with the situation myself.

Oblivions Upgrades : Graphics, voice dialog, world size, magic and combat.

Oblivion Downgrades : Lesser guilds, Lesser enchant, no vampire clans, no multiple summon unit, lesser skills, bad speechcraft skill, no werewolfs, lesser artifacs, khajit and argonian have human body, no levitation, jump, mark & recall and divine intervention spells, few islands, lesser voices and DARK ELVES DON'T HAVE THAT DEEP VOICE but sounds like little boys!, no unique caves or ruins, no spears, no unique landscape, no ships to travel, cities are all the same, underwater is uninteresting, no legion garrison, lesser armor, lesser weapons, no hand placed items, soulgems do lookalike, no legion faction, no imperial cult faction, few different daedric monsers and level scaling svckS!

They don't even belong to the same world, so comparing them is unfair.

Morrowind was the kind of place I'd want my kids to get cultured from...

Did you read posts 14 and 36 that specifically demonstrate that this is wrong.




Maybe other things are wrong too. Like for example, no unique landscapes (eg Oblivion, Shivering Isles); no hand placed items (eg fin gleam and others), etc.

How about some of the things Oblivion adds or fixes that you didn't mention. Like enemies can open doors, no alchemy glitch to let you make superpowerful potions, no way to drink an unlimited number of potions, poisons, creatures added like Spriggins or Will-o-the-wisp, more complex quests, pirates, etc, etc, etc.

If you can say no legion garrison is a downside, then maybe Morrowind has a downside for no playable arena??

Some posts seem extremely biased.

There is an arena in Morrowind, that you have to go in for a few quests...

So, you want to teach your children the values of racism, xenophobia, and superstition?

As opposed to the industry, freedom, and racial/religious tolerance of Cyrodiil?

I don't want to meet your children...

What I think he means was, he'd like children to learn from both, the freedom, the industry, and the religious freedom of Cyrodiil, while the lore, the history, the pure awe of Vvardenfell.

Well, I'm sure he meant what he meant. Let's allow him to decide.

I'm always willing to admit when my perceptions are wrong, however.

Morrowind and Oblivion are both great games, though it's no secret that I by far prefer Morrowind, even though the core game features like combat, stealth, spellcasting ect. were greatly improved in Oblivion. Whereas I feel Oblivion didn't have the same level of care for details and lore that made Morrowind interesting, and more fun imo.

A thing I missed in both games though was actually the lack of "structure" - In RTS games every building or facility has a purpose. For example in the Stronghold game series if you wanted bread first of all you had to build some wheat farms, then a mill and then a bakery. I missed that sort of realism in both Morrowind and Oblivion where it seemed like everything from food to weapons where just magically there to begin with. Nobody made the things.
The exact same thing could be said about dungeons and stuff.

Still, I don't think you can put these two games up against eachother and argue which one is the better. They're just too different. You can always argue for which one of the games you prefer. But to me it's like those two games arn't even of the same series.

:rofl:

I'd like my children to learn from the lore, history and awesome of Cyrodiil*.

_{^{* The version in the first PGE.}}

Real Cyrodiil or Oblivion Cyrodiil? Nuhnul?

Oh yeah, like I want A WHOLE GUILD replaced by a will-o-the-wisp.

Precisely, and I advise, for your sake, you never do, n'wah!

Sure, there are pirates in oblivion. The only problem with having sea-faring types and ship statics is that they can't go anywhere without ramming into an invisible barrier (on my 360.) Being on/around water definitely feels like I'm nailed down. No much freedom with the open seas.

Yes, the Arena not being entirely useful svcks. I'm not sure if it was ignored due to time constraints or if they just didn't imagine we'd be impressed with an active one... It would have been nice.

I can't say a working arena would change my impression of the game. The arena added virtually nothing to Oblivion, and the man hours should have been allocated to another piece of the game.

True, a non functioning Arena in Morrowind doesn't change my opinion of it.
I didn't enjoy myself much in the enclosed and controlled Oblivion arena environment.

Point being, if there's to be an arena in the future, make it damn fun.

And multifunctional!

Plays performed on stage at the Arena, anyone? :nod:

We continually defend that it is not the same as walking, and will do so as long as Morrowind players continue to claim that silt striders were the same as riding.



I'm going to stop trying to defend the Ayleid ruins, even though it is possible. I'm going to mention the caves, forts, mines, and camps that look far more realistic than in Morrowind, where you'd see barrels, and that was about it, with a few items of clutter thrown about the room.

And those theories are actually most of Oblivion's lore, as that's how the game provides information, on things such as the Renrijra Krin and the Mythic Dawn. If you don't pay any attention to that, and prefer to read in-game books and not have any real opinion of your own, then that's your right. But you can't really claim 'Oblivion has less lore' until you do, and there are also other things you can't comment on.



What if you had a horse?



The other prey is a lot smaller; whilst a guar would only feed the hunters, a silt strider would feed most of the tribe, even if we don't take the twenty or so people in each as their real number. And silt striders could be made into armour that would be quite expensive, and the people on it would have been able to pay for travel, so they must have money. It's a better target than someone walking along with a single weapon and some food.



That's why I question your experience with horses in Oblivion. If they're going too slow, change their speed. And they actually have an effect on how much time there is between selecting a location to fast travel to and arriving there.

But, to anyone that says that fast travel isn't really a choice, I ask: how have I managed to not use it, although I've had the game since it came out?



I don't believe how people here claim that you can't defeat a silt strider. I use claymores, and I think it is actually pretty easy to do (even if you ignore things like spears, bows, darts, crossbows, and magic). They can't step to the side, if you look at their legs, it's obvious they won't allow it. So charge at them from the side with a claymore, and you have a silt strider.

You also have the people on it, if they weren't killed.



Guilds were the same, with better quests (more involvement, rather than just 'go get this' or 'kill this bandit). Enchantment was a bit more harder to get to, but other than that there was nothing different. There are no vampire clans in Cyrodiil, there is a lore explanation for that. Most of the skills are there, just put in with others. Speechcraft was, at least, useful in Oblivion, for roleplaying. There were far more options, even with some indication as to how the different races show their emotions.



There werewolves were those who served the Daedric Prince, Hircine, and he is not in the game. The artifacts, that were not unique to Morrowind because of lore reasons, are more or less the same, the game wouldn't work with levitation, you could jump, and there was no spells from the Tribunal because there was no Tribunal. And they would only have been available in Morrowind, anyway.



You haven't played the game. You don't even know what Cyrodiil looks like. Of course there are no islands (besides the ten I've been to, and the three that are pretty small). Lesser voices? Hmm...I don't know what to make of that, considering I have an actor list here and can say that some of the voice actors, particularly in the main quest, are excellent. Buy the game, and listen to Mankar Camoran's speech.

I can't be bothered to list the unique features in every ruin, so I'm just going to say there are more than thirty different places and interesting objects in ruins in the game, and perhaps far more things that can be considered their area's special feature. You can ask for a list, if you're willing to be reasonable.

It's the same for the unique locations. I can think of about thirty of those, as well.



Cities are the same? I honestly don't know where I find the need to continue this, but...

Of course there are no ships, unless you want to sail around half of Tamriel. There is a Legion garrison, there are very similar weapons and armour, there are hand-placed items (not much more than notes, most of the time, but still there), the gems have different sizes, there is no need for an Imperial Cult faction, and there is a lore explanation for the lack of different Daedric monsters.

So, out of the many points you raised, there are only seven that can really be seen as a common opinion. There are many more that can be argued, with a significant advantage to those who prefer Oblivion, and there are at least ten that you just cannot defend.

cities are all the same

XD... ehmm.... Every city in Cyrodiil Has it's own architecture the only architecture they have often in common are the walls and cathedral... for the rest nothing XD While in Morrowind they use the same architecture alot XD

Good argument XD

no unique caves or ruins

At least they're more unique then those in Morrowind XD

no unique landscape

What do you mean by unique? as in original... yeah sure.... Ever looked at Shivering Isles XD? At least the landscape isn't as dead and boring as the one in Morrowind.... and has alot more trees XD

And what about "You like weapon variety much huh?" Well I do :rolleyes:

Your long paragraph has just proved in my mind that Morrowind is kinda more about quality. And Oblivion about (drumroll) quantity



Yeah, but it was not included in Vanilla Oblivion. Right ? You had to buy it first back then.

Also, methinks that you've forgotten to comment few stuff on his list !

Every knows there are less weapons because The combat needed to be improved ALOT...... Now they gave the weapons real animations.....
and the last I'll just ignore XD