Oh duh. :facepalm: At the top of the Loveletter it says: Ald Sotha Below, so maybe House Sul is based on Vvardenfell?


Yeah, I got the impression that the Skaal are much more tolerant than Nords from Skyrim.

poor dunmer, so not one town survived? not even peligiad?, i like peligiad

There are plenty more towns like Pelagiad in High Rock, if it makes you feel better. However, pretty much anything on Vvardenfell was destroyed. The mainland was just overrun by Argonians.

wonder if the dark elves will ever go back to morrowind and rebuild

Perhaps they might, if they somehow gain enough power to kick out the Argonians, or if they decide to repopulate Vvardenfell before the Argonians, after its become habitable, again.

Most likely, however pretty far into the future. The Dunmer have too much pride to stay out of their birthright. They'll have to boot the Argonians out however.

Does that imply the "Empire" is more of a loose confederation? Doesn't seem like good governance to let your own provinces war on each other. Not that I ever had much faith in Ocato or the council.

I was always under the impression that the Argonians didn't care about the land. They just wanted to get back at the Dunmer. I always thought they'd WANT to get back to thier swamps, anyway. Perhaps southern Morrowind may be overrun by Argonians, but what argonian wants to live in the cold, northern Morrowind? (compared to Black Marsh)

Also, Argonians hold thier strength in the swamps of Black Marsh. Surely they couldn't properly protect thier towns in Morrowind? It would take a good few years to learn about protecting a plain town. Long enough for the Empire to crush them.

Black marsh isn't part of they empire anymore them and elsweyr are free countries now.

Black Marsh never was. The Empire could never get past the swamps.

If I'm wrong, and Black Marsh IS a part of the empire, it isn't going to follow thier rules, anyway. The Empire can't invade.

Get used to it. It's the one universal constant, which is a paradox but a truth at the same time.


As for the person who asked if Cyrodill's borders changed - the Empire has shrank but the province of Cyrodill is the same size as it always was, minus parts of Leyawinn country presumably. The Empire no longer occupies Black Marsh and there isn't much of a Morrowind to occupy.

Wait I think it was a treaty that united them so maybe the argonians just said "Screw the empire attack morrowind"

Hircine, come on! I thought you were not that ignorant!

Tiber did not want to invade, but he was able to get the argonians to sign a treaty saying they're part of the Empire now, kind of like what Morrowind opted to do but without all the awesome leave-alones Morrowind got. Also, non-argonians are able to live in Black Marsh, as long as it is on the out rim. Once you get into the inner swamp, thing go to hell. Read the "Argonian Account." It's a story of an Imperial who was sent there to fix a bunch of their problems, but ends up lost in the swamp.

Also, where the hell are you all saying that Leyawinn is part of Black Marsh? It isn't!

Also, the only territory Black Marsh has held is the swampy areas of Morrowind, which had been deputed for ages.

Im going to assume the book taht comes with Collecters Edition $28.00 more than goty total price $48.99

We're discussing the Infernal City, a novel which came out late last year which is book one of a two part story, the second of which remains unreleased. I'm pretty sure someone's already answered that in this thread.

Yeah, I wasn't sure if they had signed the treaty. But my point still remains. The empire can do nothing. If they try to stop the Argonians from invading Morrowind, they have no chance. Even if the decide to claim the livable parts of Black Marsh, they've got new, swampy land in Morrowind. (Not that the Empire would anymore, with the beaurocratic leaders)

That's why they simply asked the Argonians nicely, instead of invade.

You know, Argonians represent the hunt admirably. Using thier surroundings to thier advantage, hiding in the shadows until the opportune moments... I love those guys. ^_^

Well vvardenfell's best character St. Jiub was killed by daedra during the oblivion crisis.

Except that such is not really credible for lizard creatures, which are ectothermic. More, with the volcanic eruption, it would be the Argonians who's suffer most, and there'd hardly be any swampland left in Morrowind. With the impact of the rock, the land outside the immediate area would likely raise a bit, and both the debris from the impact and the ash from the volcano would cover the land and fill up most of the swamp land with highly porous ash and rock. More, the amount of ash and debris released would likely lead to noticeable global cooling by some degrees (note the 1991 eruption of Mt. Pinatubo is detectable in temperature records through a temporary drop by about 1°F / 0.5°C and released a huge volume of ash up into the stratosphere). As we can see on the maps of Vvardenfell, the north/south axis is the primary lane of ash deposits (and most likely the areas in southern Morrowind are as fertile as they are due to not getting enough ash to completely crush the area but getting enough to regularly fertilize the area). This means that in a major event (impact plus eruption), both the central plain and the southern swamps would be hit pretty heavily, and the worst effects would likely go well in to Black Marsh.

Yes, you can explain anything away by magic and the will of gods. But for an author to make the point "Look, there's this huge geological event, but its effects are just local and just the ones I like" is, sorry, some of the worst writing I've ever seen.

In fact, the last time Red Mountain had a major eruption, the ash blocked out the sun all over Tamriel and created "Sun's Death", "The year without a summer".

Perhaps the damage was caused more from pyroclastic flows. Those things can cross water.

That could make a great plot for TESV! Huge poisonous gas clouds in the air, blocking the sun, and causing mass devestation. People dieing from the clouds, people starving to death from the lack of produce, etc. At the same time, the new corrupt and collapsing empire is making the most of this. They're getting cheap labour, needing to only pay in food from thier large storage area. They're desperatly trying to claim lands and even starting to raid towns. The player either destroys the empire in that province, or gets the empire full standing in the province. Either way, there needs to be a few large scale fights over land. Then the player goes on to the wastes of Vvardenfell (Nothing much, just a small destroyed piece of land for the main quest), and finds a way to create a barrier over Red Mountain to stop it emmiting gas clouds. There is some big battle with someone for some reason. Perhaps Azura (being the one who wanted all this) has some kind of appearance? Perhaps Red Mountain is the key to her getting to Nirn?

:celebration:

Maybe, but the impact itself is bound to have created debris as well. And if the Red Mountain is a known ash-slugger, it's unlikely that he would suddenly not do it, just because the rock provided sort of an "artificial" pressure to the lava supply.

As I said, the Argonians in their swamps should be the last to profit from an eruption. They would be happy if they don't get driven into the southern seas by it.

When I read "The Infernal City", I got the feeling that the Argonians didn't attempt to settle in the remains of Morrowind that much. Umbriel is said to pass over a few Argonian settlements in the south, but that's all that's mentioned -- no cities.

If Keyes writes a second novel (or more likely, the second half of the novel), I hope he says more about the effects of the Red Year on the other provinces. The impact and the later volcanic eruption should have been heard thousands of miles away. (Krakatoa's explosions "were heard 3,500 km (2,200 mi) away in Perth, Western Australia and the island of Rodrigues near Mauritius, 4,800 km (3,000 mi) away", according to the Wikipedia.) The world's climate should have been affected for at least a year and probably longer, as has been mentioned in this thread.

Two questions:

1. Is the novel considered canon?
2. What happened to Fargoth?

2. He grew out his hair, dyed it yellow, and decided to take a liking to the Grand Champion.

I don't understand why Vivec didn't just get rid of it in the first place. I blame him for what happened to poor Vvardenfell.

Also,
1. Yes.