If Morrowind had come out in 2011...

Post » Wed May 02, 2012 7:27 pm

If Morrowind came out in 2011 it would be a dumbed down version of it, and we'd all cry about how The Elder Scrolls 3:Oblivion/Hammerfell/Summerset/whatever would the 3rd one be is much better.

The sad fact is that I'm not even kidding or being ironic, 100% that I wouldn't like it as I like it the way it was released in 2002.
I think you are absolutely right about this. The dumbing-down trend with fast-paced action instead of slow-paced exploring and character development is spreading fast through the gaming industry, and I don′t like that one bit. Not saying those games aren′t good too, but they shouldn′t outweigh games more close to the RPG style.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 8:01 pm

I think you are absolutely right about this. The dumbing-down trend with fast-paced action instead of slow-paced exploring and character development is spreading fast through the gaming industry, and I don′t like that one bit. Not saying those games aren′t good too, but they shouldn′t outweigh games more close to the RPG style.

Well that's why they are called action RPGs. :tongue: It's probably what the majority wants, it's all about being user friendly and smacking extra bucks. I'm starting to get used to it, and I'm sure it'll be completely normal for my kids, but I definitely do plan to raise my kids on Morrowind and Final fantasy games released when I was a child.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:00 am

I think RPG:s can be user friendly without being too heavily action oriented. I like Oblivion′s combat system as it it more fluent and I don′t think that takes out the RPG elements. Even Deus Ex has some RPG in it albeit very lightly, but you can customize Denton′s skills and even choose his looks :smile:

Edit: Do your kids a favor by showing them Deus too ;)
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 6:40 pm

Agreed. Graphics-wise, I'd love to see Morrowind shine like Skyrim, though.

Get MGE and texture replacers and you have a game better looking than Skyrim vanilla. :P If your PC can handle it that is.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:56 am

Get MGE and texture replacers and you have a game better looking than Skyrim vanilla.
Almost anyway ;)
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:49 am

Thank goodness it was released when it was.
It would just be like Skyrim if it was out now.
You would need a Steam account and could not play it without Steam/Valve and goodness knows who else's access to your computer 24/7. You would be pestered with a buggy game, hideous interface and as of yet no mod kit. And when you do get to mod it has to be "allowed" by Steam/Valve who will own your mod and can do with it whatever they want.
So no, I for one am glad it came out just before this idea of the company owning the buyer, but the buyer cannot own the game.

So leave it alone and let the old crowd of modders take FULL 100% pride in the fact that they made Bethesda as big as it is - without them it you would not even remember Morrowind.

Actually..

-you can set Steam to work offline and play Skyrim without having to be on steam or on net. You just don't get automatic updates.
-without mods Morrowind was pretty buggy too. In fact it was much mroe buggy for me than Skyrim is now (that is, Skyrim is not buggy at all for me, not a single bug on my end yet, while Morrowind would crash usually after an hour of session, vanilla)
-mods don't have to be allowed, steam is just one of the options. We'll still be able to upload to PES, Nexus and other sites which they have no control over, whatsoever.
-cs will be out, and shortly. It just needed much more testing because of all of the new features connected to steam, + it's now much more complicated to mod things than it was modding Morrowind which was more or less a piece of cake, aside from scripting and such.

I do like Morrowind more, but Skyrim is not a bad game and I'm not gonna stand crapstorms about things that aren't true.

edot: just realize it was a comment from the 1st page, late response. :P
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 10:03 pm

so leave it alone and let the old crowd of modders take FULL 100% pride in the fact that they made Bethesda as big as it is - without them it you would not even remember Morrowind.

:banana:

i hope they leave morrowind. maybe they could release it for free like daggfall and arena? but i don't think they should release the game with all the best mods installed.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 8:33 pm

I keep hoping Bethesda copies Bungie and re-releases Morrowind with updated graphics like they did with CE. They could call it the RPG of the decade edition or something.

I'd rather not. Odds are they'd alter things to suit the wants of the broad gaming community, which would be to make the combat system less chance and more about action. Also, the amount of graphics and detail in Morrowind would take a very, very, very long time to do from scratch. There's already mods that make it look pretty anyway, if you don't like vanilla Morrowind.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 1:22 am

...with the gameplay of Skyrim, and the ol' ES3 god-like depth and role-playing goodness (which skyrim lacked) it would probably be the best game ever created. Just thought I'd put that out there xD

You can say this again in 2021... let go? or play Morrowind for what it is... except that all things fade away.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:13 am

Remaking Morrowind with the Skyrim engine would take just about as much time (and money) as making a new game set in Argonia, Summerset Isles, or Hammerfell, and the market for a remake would undoubtedly be less than for a new game in a new setting.

Besides, if it had Skyrim's game mechanics, I wouldn't want to play it. If it were distributed or activated through Steam, I couldn't play it even if I wanted to. Morrowind is the slightly rough-cut gem that it is, and I'm quite happy with it; besides, modders have put a considerable shine on the old stone, at least for those who play on PC.

Sorry, no sale here.

I don't think you need to revamp anything to rerelease morrowind. If you could get it working on a portable, I think it would fit rather nicely. (my 2 cents, I can't play the 3DS for too long without a headache, so my money is on PSP). I've seen stuff with a lot more primative graphics (16-bit NES graphics FWIW) do very well on PSP, and most games on PSP look no better than vanilla Morrowind even when made today. I'm not sure about filesize, but that's the only thing I could see really causing trouble on the older PSP software, let alone the Vista.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:04 am

Actually..

-you can set Steam to work offline and play Skyrim without having to be on steam or on net. You just don't get automatic updates.
-without mods Morrowind was pretty buggy too. In fact it was much mroe buggy for me than Skyrim is now (that is, Skyrim is not buggy at all for me, not a single bug on my end yet, while Morrowind would crash usually after an hour of session, vanilla)
-mods don't have to be allowed, steam is just one of the options. We'll still be able to upload to PES, Nexus and other sites which they have no control over, whatsoever.
.....

It still takes a Steam account to set up the game and download all of the remaining files it needs, even if you have the disc. Then, after a few days or weeks of playing, it wants to "verify" your copy, and has to log back in to keep it working, whether you chose to update it or not. In fact, the "choice" to update or not doesn't prevent Steam from updating the game whenever you start it, that merely allows it to skip downloading updates for any Steam games that you're no longer playing. As soon as you fire them up, though, they update regardless of your settings.

Not having an Internet connection to the floor where I have my gaming PC, and having a lethargic dial-up account downstairs means dismantling the system, lugging it down 2 flights of steps, setting it up in the living room, and then waiting 12-24 hours for it to D/L all of the files at 56K baud, before hauling it back up the steps to play, then hope it doesn't want to reconnect. Not happening. I don't have SR, both for that and the assorted gameplay reasons, and wouldn't buy a MW remake with those same problems for the same reasons.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:05 am

Morrowind is already the best game ever :wink:

And yeah, I hate Steam too, but it's not like it ruins the experience. It's still an Azura-cursed Elder Scrolls game.

I would love to see what the models for some of the more bizarre creatures in morrowind would look like in newer tech.

Netches
Ash slaves/vampires/corprus beasts
Nix Hounds
Kwamas
Kaghouti
Guar
Yes, even cliff racers.
You forgot Bonewalkers. Imagining them with modern graphics... have fun sleeping tonight.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 11:28 pm

You forgot Bonewalkers. Imagining them with modern graphics... have fun sleeping tonight.
They′re bad enough as it is thank you very much :bolt:
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:59 am

I keep hoping Bethesda copies Bungie and re-releases Morrowind with updated graphics like they did with CE. They could call it the RPG of the decade edition or something.
Bungie didn't make Anniversary, I wish people would do some research.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:01 am

You forgot Bonewalkers. Imagining them with modern graphics... have fun sleeping tonight.

Can you imagine if they had been in skyrim?

Generic topic #2833: HELP I WAS FIGHTING A MONSTER AND NOW I CAN'T MOVE THIS GAME svckS.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 11:32 pm

Can you imagine if they had been in skyrim?

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ROFL
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:24 am

As it's been said above, Morrowind if released today would not be the Morrowind we know and love. The same goes for Arena and Daggerfall. There would have been different priorities and the focus on stuff like graphics and voice acting would have *very likely* (read=definitely) meant less dialogue options/quest branching, etc. Morrowind probably has more text/dialogue than any other TES game, but don't quote me on that b/c I don't know the actual numbers. It's not perfect, but it's a pretty solid game and detailed RPG, so I wouldn't want to change the *original game* too much aside from better graphics - all due respect to all the modders who have made it potentially a vastly superior game, depending on the player's tastes, since everyone can use whatever mods they prefer.

That said, I'd be fine with Bethesda releasing something like graphics updates/engine updates that made the game run more efficiently on modern systems. However, this is extremely unlikely due to engine differences like grid-pathing vs the newer (bugged mod-killer) nav-mesh system used in Skyrim. The most likely Morrowind-related DLC to come out could be something like Morrowind's mainland for Skyrim. That's just pure speculation on my part, based on Easter eggs in Skyrim/Todd's comments, etc. Of course, that would be in Skyrim's time, when Vvardenfell is pretty well destroyed as we know it from TES3:Morrowind.

Vvardenfell may be dead to official Lore, but it lives on through its modders, many of who have earned Legendary status in my eyes and I'm as much in debt to them for my love of TES as Bethesda themselves.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 10:44 pm

I gotta say I like the Morrowind graphics more than the Skyrim graphics. In generel I dont like the graphics in modern games. It looks to much like plastic last years.The companies focus to much on complex graphics nowadays and forget what gaming really is about! They attempt to making graphics as close as possible to real life but end up creating an ugly plastic world without life and atmosphere. Morrowind might look dead when you look at the stiff movement and the text based conversations, but somehow it FEELS alife! Its a unique world I always loved walking around in even when the npcs barely did something.
For me I think Morrowind would also rock when it was released now!
For example I played Silent Hill 1 for the first time in 2011 and if you look at some screenshots you can almost count the pixels ^^ You might know pyramidhead from the Silent Hill series but the main character from Silent Hill 1 has a squarehead xD and despite those things it was one of the best games I played 2011! Atmosphere is everything for me in a game!
Thats why I love Morrowind :)
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:03 am

a lot of games like morrowind are timeless, it's not the graphics that bring you back. It's the game itself as a whole (look at the fallout series)
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:16 am

a lot of games like morrowind are timeless, it's not the graphics that bring you back. It's the game itself as a whole (look at the fallout series)

Lately it is the boring modern games that bring me back :D
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 9:44 pm

Can you imagine if they had been in skyrim?

Generic topic #2833: HELP I WAS FIGHTING A MONSTER AND NOW I CAN'T MOVE THIS GAME svckS.
Thanks, that made me laugh XD
They′re bad enough as it is thank you very much :bolt:
Well, it http://images.uesp.net/a/a8/MW-creature-Lame_Corprus.jpg
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:58 am

it http://images.uesp.net/a/a8/MW-creature-Lame_Corprus.jpg
Why are you posting pictures from Doom 3 in a TES thread? :P
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:57 am

No offense but... if Morrowind had come out in 2011, something else would've been released in it's place, back in 2002, e.g. ES III: Elsweyr. ES V: Morrowind would've had Skyrim's graphics & gameplay, (whatever that means) and this thread would be titled: "If Elsweyr had come out in 2011..."

And even if Bethesda had made ES IV: Morrowind II and ES V: Morrowind III, instead of Oblivion & Skyrim, even if they gave you EXACTLY what you claim you want, you'd still not be pleased. Because you love Morrowind for what it is, not what it would've been.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:41 am

It still takes a Steam account to set up the game and download all of the remaining files it needs, even if you have the disc. Then, after a few days or weeks of playing, it wants to "verify" your copy, and has to log back in to keep it working, whether you chose to update it or not. In fact, the "choice" to update or not doesn't prevent Steam from updating the game whenever you start it, that merely allows it to skip downloading updates for any Steam games that you're no longer playing. As soon as you fire them up, though, they update regardless of your settings.

Not having an Internet connection to the floor where I have my gaming PC, and having a lethargic dial-up account downstairs means dismantling the system, lugging it down 2 flights of steps, setting it up in the living room, and then waiting 12-24 hours for it to D/L all of the files at 56K baud, before hauling it back up the steps to play, then hope it doesn't want to reconnect. Not happening. I don't have SR, both for that and the assorted gameplay reasons, and wouldn't buy a MW remake with those same problems for the same reasons.
And this my good forum friends, is why I′ll never buy a Steam-related game.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:02 am

And this my good forum friends, is why I′ll never buy a Steam-related game.

+1

Yeah, having games that rely totally on Steam limits who can buy the games. I sure can't
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