Will Skyrim be as dumbed down as Oblivion and barely passing as an RPG, or will it be fun and rewarding, like Morrowind? I understand a lot of people put their entire gaming lives into Oblivion, but to me, Morrowind is just better in nearly every way, besides graphics and voice acting. Oblivion was a large disappointment, as I needed mods to make the game bearable. I'd be pretty upset is Skyrim has the gameplay of Oblivion. Or even worse gameplay than that. Thanks for reading my short and extremely rude post, sorry to just post this out of nowhere, being a total noob to this forum, but I've been a fan of The Elder Scrolls since Arena, and the first letdown I had from Bethesda was Oblivion. To me, it was like how I felt when a favorite band sold out. Thanks again for reading.

I know its your opinion, but these posts irritate me. Oblivion is what got me into the series in the first place. If it were not for Oblivion, I would have never played Morrowind. Oblivion has a special place in my heart, and in my opinion, is better than Morrowind.*Awaits for the flaming from almost everyone on the forum*

Anyway, I understand that oblivion didn't live up to the hype, but heres the deal. It was a great game in its own right, and there is no reason to compare it to Morrowind. I don't understand why people cannot see that Oblivion was great. In a lot of peoples opinions, Morrowind was a much better game, but who cares? Its an opinion. There will be people that love Skyrim, and there will be people that hate Skyrim because it couldn't live up to the impossible hype. This is why oblivion was such a "bad" game, it was hyped up wayyy to much.

On a scale of Morrowind (10) - Oblivion (1) (I know not a fair scale, but for arguments sake)

It shall be a 4 - 6

With weapons skills being removed for 1h and 2h, people are getting angry. I think its a good idea if perks will be implemented PROPERLY for a TES game. Most of us will agree Mw was a 1 in 1,000,000 game and nothing will compare to it for a long time. Its unfair to compare new TES's to morrowind, as it was a leap forward. maybe TES:VI will be a leap forward, but this is part of the MW generation of games.

don't kid yourself. anyone that says morrowind is better than oblivion is only saying it because its the cool thing to say (op).
i played morrowind since it came out and i've been playing oblivion since it came out. i honestly didn't think it was possible to even think that oblivion was a disappointment until i started these forums.

and to op: oblivion was an rpg by definition so i don't see where you are coming from with that argument.
oh, and i think you are really cool.

I'm tired of the Morrowind VS Oblivion threads. I'll get Skyrim when it comes out and we'll see what it is all about. If Fallout 3 is any indication then exploration will be more interesting than in Oblivion, and they said that Skyrim's level scaling will be closer to FO3 than Oblivion, so those are two big plusses for me.


Riiight.

Lets not go there again, may the thread recieve a quick death.

Was Oblivion really that bad? I don't know, I thought it was a masterpiece and one of the best games I've ever played before in my entire life. You needed mods just to make it bearable? You must have some pretty crazy standards there, bub.

I hate topics like this. Typically I find people's dislike of Oblivion comes from either immediately discriminating against it because it cannot have the nostalgia feel of Morrowind, or they just fail to appreciate Oblivion for what it is and they actually dislike Cyrodiil, not the game itself.

I'll just stop posting in this topic now though. Hopefully topics like this aren't allowed anymore, because this mindset of Oblivion being so terrible is one of the most irritating things ever to me. I played Morrowind first back around the time it came out. I played Oblivion second around the time that it came out as well. Overall, I like Morrowind better. But dammit, Oblivion was fantastic and amazing and did nothing wrong compared to Morrowind. Morrowind has features in it that are just awful and ridiculous and are improved on so drastically in Oblivion that they almost count as objectively better.

Hey I hope not, I think they only have two.

I was first introduced to TES back when Morrowind was new and I greatly enjoyed it, I also greatly enjoyed Oblivion.

Such flame wars are just nostalgia, sure Morrowind had certain factors that added to immersion but it was limited in ways that removed dept, and then came Oblivion that was not limited in the same way Morrowind was but because of added complexity it became limited in the ways Morrwind was not.

The nostalgia factor is simply "ignoring" the limitations of Morrowind while only focusing on the limitations of Oblivion.

Oh and I think Skyrim will be great.

Nearly had a hipster gamer bingo right there - but you missed out "mainstream" and "casual gamers". Might give it to you with the selling out comment though.

Yes. It's being released on consoles. Consoles are a tool of Satan. Satan's grand plan is to turn us all into mindless FPS playing zombies, upon which he will take all PCs and RPGs for himself and laugh diabolically while he plays them in Hell. Bethesda's are conspiring with Satan, because Satan has promised each employee seven and a half virgins to do with as they please.

Right because it's impossible to think that one thing is better than another without it being a shallow statement in order to gain cool points.

I liked Morrowind and Oblivion. But I prefer Morrowind. Oblivion has better graphics but that is about it. Morrowind was bigger, had more quests (and more interesting quests), more factions, and more weps, Oblivion did not even have spears.

And there we go again.

I know what you mean when you say oblivion is not as rewarding as Morrowind. Reward is the basis of RPGs, the longer and harder you work to accomplish something the greater reward you should get. Morrowind had this Oblivion didn't.

The world was actually smaller than Oblivion, it just felt bigger.

Also, neither did any other TES game until Morrowind <_< (At the spears comment)

you say that like its a matter of opinion :rolleyes:

I think that reward is the basis for video games in general. At least those are the games I like to play.

But that's not to say I didn't find Oblivion rewarding, just found Morrowind to be a little more.


Really? Are you seriously implying that it is an opinion that Morrowind is better than Oblivion? Its a fact :stare:

:rolleyes:

(I honestly don't even know what you were implying)

Don't enjoy it when people try to say how much Oblivion was better than morrowind or vice versa.

games were in 2 different era's of Technology, time, and mind set. I do agree Oblivion is......meh...and honestly should Morrowind be placed in Oblivions Engine and mechanics, it'd out do the game hands down, text dialoge and all.

Morrowinds Combat svcked! - of course compared to games of now, its on different older engine

Oblivion lacked dept - well yeah if you don't look, the game had plenty to offer if you went out and looked for it

Morrowind had more skills! - well yeah so did Dagger fall, but certain skills were merged and *streamlined* even more so in Oblivion, remember enchant? now anyone could enchant in oblivion with no Magical knowledge despite the fact that in the Lore Such mechanations were destroyed so that the average joe blow couldnt conjure up enchantments, dagger fall had creature languages but that made little sense in Morrowind and Oblivion because of the Charm and command humanoid spells, the only basis it had was for someone who wanted to work completely without magick, but we can't have everything.

Note I don't know why certain skills like throwing weapons, spears and crossbows were taken out. to me Morrowind had the greatest spectrum of weapons and their skills to date, I was hoping Oblivions skill system was tiered, so that for instance you would have -Blade- and then branching from blade were shortblades - Longblades -Claymores -

and for Polearms would be halbered - spears - etc etc you know so that its not so *clogged* as stated early before Oblivion was released

Morrowind had more depth and stuff. But to allude that morrowind had better gameplay is stretching it a bit.

The no depth accusations are probably the craziest. I mean, in oblivion, you walked into a womb as part of the MQ. How many times have you walked into the womb from which a famous individual from the annals of the past was born?

I played morrowind for ages and oblivion for ages as well. Both were fantastic games. I will admit that I liked Morrowind's atmosphere better at times, but Oblivion was just a massive step forward. The combat system, even with its niggles was far better than Morrowind. Playing a full mage was viable, and with OOO (a single mod) you got game that required very tactical thought to succeed. I did miss the extra factions as well, but to me Oblivion was a fantastic game and a modded Oblivion installation is my favorite game ever.

Skyrim is going to be fantastic because Bethesda is a good company. You're getting the same size world as the other two games, but with the Morrowind mountain feel. You're getting an incredible combat system that requires tactics and technique, giving a sense of achievement to actually doing something rather than pushing a single button and killing something. Skyrim is going to be the game of the decade because even from the things we've seen so far, it shatters the limits of what we've seen in a game. It is foolish to say that a game will be awful for reasons which are not even confirmed to be in. Removal of spears and crossbows may bit an irritant, spellmaking's disappearance will be saddening, but it is really worth shunning the future to dwell in the past? I am excited for Skyrim as much as I was for Oblivion and I think that we are going to see another quantum leap and I can't wait for 11.11.11.

To me, saying Oblivions Combat is what makes it better than Oblivion is mute, Different time, different or modified engine

Exactly, I agree. Oblivion is what got me into Elder Scrolls, and eventually Fallout. I've played both games and to me I feel that Oblivion is better. And that is just my Opinion. Fighting wasn't that good in it, but it was still fun to play. I don't know why now on the forums nearly everyone talks like Oblivion was the Worst game ever made. It sure wasn't like this before the released the news Skyrim was going to be made.

i can't understand why people cant see that oblivion, despise its name, its a diferent game from morrowind, people think that oblivion is a morrowind 2, thats why it fails, NO! morrowind is a game, it was good, yes, it was amazing! and oblivion, its ANOTHER game, and it was good, definitly, it was good as well! THEY TRY TO MAKE EACH GAME COMPLETELY UNIQUE, skyrim will be nothing like morrowind or oblivion, it will be SKYRIM, and only SKYRIM. the only thing that tie them togheter is the lore, and pretty much it! and i like that! people should stop complaing about " duuuh will skyrim be more like morrowind or oblivion???" because they are not going to be anything like MORROWIND OR OBLIVION!