[WIPz] Morrowind Overhaul - Game Experience : III

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:58 am

Whaaaat?
The Morrowind Overhaul - Game Experience pack is, as you can imagine, the second pack of the Morrowind Overhaul Project.
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8987 took care of the graphics and sounds part, but what's up with the rest?
Here it is, this second pack aims to enhance *everything* else in the game:

- Gameplay
- Atmosphere
- Contents
- Quests
- And much more...

Obviously this pack is going to be fully compatible with the MGSO Release, in fact the goal is to reach a comprehensive release of both packs, all in one.

Easy to use?
My primary goal is to achieve the easier install possible.
Main features:
- A full and detailed guide
- A guide to Wrye Mash (very important program for this pack)
- A customization guide (every mod will have a complete and detailed description of its funtionalities)
- The original readmes that come with the included mods
- An automatic installer
- A videotutorial for the installation (just like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=409C4kWjzjg for MGSO)
- http://morrowindoverhaul.net/forum/ will be open for any problem or suggestion, and the http://morrowindoverhaul.net/blog/ too
- The pack will be often updated, just like we're doing with the MGSO Pack

Modularity
Just like the MGSO was, this pack will come with an Options Program. That program will give you the opportunity to change the contents added by the modpack.
Almost every important mod can be disabled/enabled. Conflicts will be avoided by the program itself, you won't be able to install 2 mods that conflict each other!
Every option will have a detailed description and, if needed, a screenshot.

Modlist
Here's a little preview of what we planned to include in this compilation:
(Watch out, it's quite big)

Spoiler

Dialogues:OK
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=9028
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=878
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8471
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5908#Files
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7339
http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownloaddetails&lid=854
Quick NOTE: LGNPC won't be included because of its complexity. (Not sure about that, because I got all the permissions, but I'll see)

Interacion with NPCs:OK
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6859

Beginning of the game:OK
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=3061 (Optional, a good idea is to use it with NoM or Morrowind Crafting)
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6581 (Optional)

Character Development:OK
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=mods.detail&id=2030 (Optional)
http://adul.net/?p=dl_mwmods_training_limit

Vital Activities:OK
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4077 (Optional)
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8707 (Optional)

Companions:OK
http://lovkullen.net/Emma/Constance.htm (Optional)
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8153
NOTE: I had Julan in the list, but the author doesn't want it to be included.

Factions:
http://btb2.free.fr/files/morrowind_service.zip
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5593
http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22956
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8276
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22601
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6822
http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownloaddetails&lid=3757
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=mods.detail&id=4449
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5997
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7736
http://www.mediafire.com/?7en6utchfan7wfa
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22002

Main Quest Expansion:
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=801
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23357
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?id=4590&view=Mods.Detail
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=9004 (Optional)
http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=4130

Creatures:
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1695 (Optional)
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=3377 (Optional)
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2786
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=258 (Optional)
http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=3798 (Optional)
http://btb2.free.fr/files/morrowind_advanced.zip
http://www.pirates.retreat.btinternet.co.uk/Creatures.htm (Optional)
http://arcimaestroantares.webs.com/antarescreatures.htm
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6777 - http://arcimaestroantares.webs.com/Miei%20Mods/Undeads%20Skeletons%20Arise%20from%20Death.zip - http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8924
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5708

NPC/PC Animations/Activities:
http://lovkullen.net/Emma/kids.htm (Optional)
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7474
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8896 (Optional)
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8937 (Optional)
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=244
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=9020 (Optional)
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=676 (Optional)

Homes:OK
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=mods.detail&id=3408

New NPCs:OK
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7749 (Optional)

Shops:
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=mods.detail&id=2826
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7912
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=248453&id=6188 (Optional)
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6207 (Optional)
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7573
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1776 (Optional)

Weapons And Armors:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35562
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8846
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8847
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=mods.detail&id=4698
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7636
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5905
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5963
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5936
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=mods.detail&id=6650
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=597

Books:OK
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6136
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5782
http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownloaddetails&lid=3893

Travelling:
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6706 (Optional)
http://btb2.free.fr/files/morrowind_economy.zip

Redesigned Locations:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=30186
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7050&id=5535
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=mods.detail&id=6454
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8703
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=36812
I'm testing right now the Trancemaster's new cities, probably I will have to do some compatibility patches for them.

Dungeons:
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.detail&id=6270
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8710

Game Corrections:
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7132
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4256 (Optional)
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=mods.detail&id=6175

Misc:
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5780 (Optional)
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=21372
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27765
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15595

Game Balance:
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7904
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6757

Gameplay Balance:
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5864
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=648 (Optional)
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7909 (Optional)
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35580

Fighting System:
There will be two fighting systems: Action and Non-Action. We are experimenting them, so I can't post them now.

Stealth:
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8636
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4015
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1209
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2002 (Maybe)

Magic/Alchemy:
http://webpages.charter.net/manauser/morrowind/#gherb
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2737
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1981
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8822
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1504

A.I.:OK
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1095
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22938

NOTE: I didn't ask for all the permissions yet. So don't panic if you see your mod here and you didn't receive my request yet.

Credits and Modder Permissions
I'm contacting every modder to receive permissions. This will take quite long, since there are many mods that I would like to include!

Actually I'm sure that these mods aren't going to be included:
- Any Fliggerty's mods (lack of permissions)
- LGNPC (I received the permissions, but I think that including LGNPC will be an error, because it's often updated and it could conflict with many mods)
- Julan Ashlander Companion

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:27 am

Excellent, I reinstalled Morrowind yesterday after years of neglect because I saw the video for your Graphics & Audio overhaul. Heres hoping the gameplay pack is as extensive. Keep up the good work.

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:46 pm

What is the issue with Fliggerty's mods?

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:30 pm

Excellent, I reinstalled Morrowind yesterday after years of neglect because I saw the video for your Graphics & Audio overhaul. Heres hoping the gameplay pack is as extensive. Keep up the good work.

Thanks

What is the issue with Fliggerty's mods?

He doesn't want his mod included in this project, because he often updates them

I loved his mods, and it's a pity that I cannot include them.

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:21 pm

He doesn't want his mod included in this project, because he often updates them

I don't get this reason. I would assume a lot of other http://www.ubuntu.com/ don't either as it works fine for them. Bugs with the compilation are passed upstream if they are a problem with an upstream package. Minor revisions are pulled from upstream and the entire system works. Sure you are not always at the current major version of the packages, but that is the cost of having a more stable distribution.

Meh. My opinion.

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:37 am

I don't get this reason. I would assume a lot of other http://www.ubuntu.com/ don't either as it works fine for them. Bugs with the compilation are passed upstream if they are a problem with an upstream package. Minor revisions are pulled from upstream and the entire system works. Sure you are not always at the current major version of the packages, but that is the cost of having a more stable distribution.

Meh. My opinion.

Yeah I think the same way, but if that's his wish, I certainly won't ignore it

I hope he will change his decision before the release of the package

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:35 pm

Just dropping by to say hi!

We eagerly await!

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:57 am

Will this use Mlox?

Also, do you want suggestions in this thread

?

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:59 pm

Will this use Mlox?

Also, do you want suggestions in this thread

?

Yeah sure Mlox is included

Yeah post them

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:21 pm

When I list these, keep the work 'optional' in mind, because I'd rather not type it after most of these.

Some of my personal favorites.

Creatures X and this http://sites.google.com/site/johnmoonsugar/Home/morrowind-mods (scroll to CreaturesX-jms_patch-0.2).
Greater Dwemer Ruins
Official Plugins (Cleaned)
Galsiah's Character Development or Madd Leveler
Morrowind Advanced
Rise of House Telvanni
Never/Forgotten Halls
Sobitur Facility
Deus Ex Machina

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:43 am

When I list these, keep the work 'optional' in mind, because I'd rather not type it after most of these.

Some of my personal favorites.

Creatures X and this http://sites.google.com/site/johnmoonsugar/Home/morrowind-mods (scroll to CreaturesX-jms_patch-0.2).
Greater Dwemer Ruins
Official Plugins (Cleaned)
Galsiah's Character Development or Madd Leveler
Morrowind Advanced
Rise of House Telvanni
Never/Forgotten Halls
Sobitur Facility
Deus Ex Machina

All of these are planned to be included, apart the last two.
I won't include Deus Ex Machinima: it's too different from Morrowind's original style. I'll look into Sobitur Facility, I have to try it

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:01 am

Good to hear.

Also, here are some creature mods that I would like to hear opinions about, and if they fit Morrowind well enough to be in the pack:

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6708 http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=mods.detail&id=6726

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6703 http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=171052&id=5536

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7377 http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=160762&id=7150 http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=160762&id=7213

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=136072&id=8906 http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=136072&id=8894 http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8920 http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=136072&id=8336

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6616 (the comments mention some sound errors, but some have found out a way to correct that)

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:56 pm

Good to hear.

Also, here are some creature mods that I would like to hear opinions about, and if they fit Morrowind well enough to be in the pack:

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6708 http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=mods.detail&id=6726

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6703 http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=171052&id=5536

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7377 http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=160762&id=7150 http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=160762&id=7213

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=136072&id=8906 http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=136072&id=8894 http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8920 http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=136072&id=8336

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6616 (the comments mention some sound errors, but some have found out a way to correct that)

Antares' Creatures are all included, and http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6777 will replace the Undead mod

I'll look into the other creatures

Some Melchior's creatures and Midgetalien's are looking quite good actually ^^

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:07 pm

Will you put all the major stuff in the first release so we don't have to start a new playthrough when you update it, or can that not be guaranteed?

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:50 pm

Will you put all the major stuff in the first release so we don't have to start a new playthrough when you update it, or can that not be guaranteed?

Yes I will, when a plugin that requires a new game will come out, I'll leave it as suggestion.

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:44 am

I'm pretty sure Morrowind Rebirth wouldn't fit for this pack, although my city expansions might

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:10 am

I'm pretty sure Morrowind Rebirth wouldn't fit for this pack, although my city expansions might

Why not?

Here it is, this second pack aims to enhance *everything* else in the game:

- Gameplay
- Atmosphere
- Contents
- Quests

:foodndrink:

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:26 am

All of these are planned to be included, apart the last two.
I won't include Deus Ex Machinima: it's too different from Morrowind's original style. I'll look into Sobitur Facility, I have to try it

About Madd leveler; there is an unresolved issue with The CodePatch concerning characters with spell absorption (and maybe resist magicka as well). The combination can introduce a bug that breaks Madd's attribute level up and recovery from fortified attribute state.

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:14 pm

Creatures X has one major annoying issue...the silly bugs/rats it spawns all over the towns. Fix that and I'd use it again for sure.

GCD presents some issues, due to the state it was left in. I'm running a version pulled from the thread on these forums, but it still has some issues.

Can't say enough about Darknuts GDR.

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:08 pm

I wouldn't play without GCD. It's an excellent mod, but I don't know if I would recommend it to everyone. I think you really have to be willing to open it up and tinker with settings in the CS to really get the best of it. I've toned magicka regen way down (my warrior character doesn't regen a full magicka bar within 1 game day, with NoM's longest day length setting) and my skill leveling speed is also very low to keep my character from getting strong quickly. It's a great mod, but if you want to play a superman-esque character it's going to prevent it. I'd certainly recommend it as optional though.

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:29 pm

I guess this means I should hurry up and finish the update for my mod I'm working on

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:36 pm

GCD presents some issues, due to the state it was left in. I'm running a version pulled from the thread on these forums, but it still has some issues.

Do you mean Gluby's 1.08 with start fix? I've heard reports of problems but I have several hundred hours experience with it and haven't seen any. What kind of problem have you had?

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:03 pm

Do we have an ETA for the release, KINGPIX?

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:31 am

Sorry for the shameless plug, but would you consider my http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4970 for part of the compilation?

» Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:02 pm

Do you mean Gluby's 1.08 with start fix? I've heard reports of problems but I have several hundred hours experience with it and haven't seen any. What kind of problem have you had?

Yeah Glubby's. I had some issues with a couple Chargen mods along with some other older mods (one of which can't be discussed here).

It also has the unfortunate issue of having been merged so you can't use the various plugins