I really want to know in full detail what has been going on in Morrowind. As far as my understanding goes, the Argonians through the help of the Thalmor, have invaded Morrowind. Vvardenfell exploded (again) and the Dunmer have fled westward. What happened? Is all of Morrowind an Argonian land now? Or I remember reading that they did not attempt to colonize it. Is everyone there dead? Are we going to have a new game come out Fallout: Morrowind?

Argonians remain only in the southern parts of the province. The rest is still Dunmer, though their society as a whole has yet to recover from everything.

The Thalmor had no part in the Argonian raids/invasion of Morrowind. The author of the book Rising Threat in Skyrim proposes that they did have a part but that is because he is completely paranoid/delusional and sees a Thalmor plot in every shadow.

The invasion was the will of the An-Xileel and the Organism.

So things like the Morag Tong and houses still exist then of course? Just things like Tear and Narsis are taken over by Argonians?

No. The Dunmeri political system has collapsed, and the Dunmer themselves have lost faith in the house system.

Well that may be so politically but socially the rich nobility didn't just up and vanish did they? Say for example Telvanni. They're honey badgers.

Witness the wreck of the Pride of Tel Vos, and know the fate of the telvanni.

THere are some rich dunmer in places like Solstheim, but the destruction in Morrowind was absolute. Most wealthy Dunmer are probably the descendants of Dunmer expats from before the oblivion crisis, rather than Morrowind refugees.

Even honey badgers are no match for a volcano.

The Telvanni still exist, one of them at the mages college attests to that, she even introduces herself as such. There is also mention of a "Redoran Job" in the dark brotherhood which would suggest they still exist. There are also a few NPCs with the Hlaalu name but that doesn't say much about the House itself. House Dres would most likely be done, there territory were the southernmost and those directly bordering Blackmarsh, and would be lands occupied by Argonians still. As for Indoril, i would hope they still exist, but they were already in bad shape as of the Oblivion crisis so who knows.

I thought House Indoril was in bad shape during the Morrowind game, least that's what I recall. Also, Vivec, the city, was completely destroyed by that falling comet that was made into the Ministry of Truth, odd how a symbol of truth destroyed the city.

It's very much up for debate whether any of the houses still exist. There are a few people in Skyrim with the last name of Hlaalu, but good luck gettin em to talk about it. Has anyone any info on that btw? In game dialogue about Hlaalu? Haven't heard anything about Redoran either besides that DB quote that was mentioned. And alas, Telvanni. I'd recommend using the search bar honestly, there've been quite a few discussion about their continued existence, and after reading them, I for one don't know what to think.

This is all conjecture. We don't have much hard data on the severity of Red Mountain's blast, the extent of the Argonian invasion, or the status of Dunmeri society. In my opinion, it is most likely that the Dunmeri Houses survive yet in Morrowind, and with them the shell-shocked remnants of the Velothi. Any cultural developments as a result of their royal shafting by the universe are up for grabs. I'd conjecture that they'd return to the ways of Veloth. Ancestor and Daedra worship.

Fun fact - There's a cave in Skyrim called Redoran's Retreat.

You doubt the severity of a moon falling to the ground and triggering the eruption of a volcano bigger than the Throat of the World ?

Also, have you played Skyrim because you get a pretty good idea of the state of the Houses from a few sources.

Yes, sir. I doubt its severity for one simple reason - if it had been so great, the effect could not have been localized just over Morrowind. If Red Mountain behaves anything like RL volcanoes - and I see no reason to believe that it should not - then all of Tamriel should have suffered. Sun-obscuring ash clouds. Bitter winters and short growing seasons. Massive starvation. I believe, actually, that the existence of effects of this nature following Red Mountain's eruptions is substantiated by the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nirnroot-missive. I do not recall reading anything referring to a Sun's Death style climatic event after Red Year; perhaps I have merely missed it. My conclusion, then, is that it wasn't so bad as people make it out to be. Even if it was that bad, the Dunmer would not have been so solely struck by its effects.

I have had the pleasure of Skyrim. Information on the state of Morrowind's Houses is, in my evaluation, inconclusive.

Skyrim is woefully inconclusive on the state of the Dunmer.

Your hypothesis could have some merit if Tamriel was the whole planet, however, from what we know, Nirn is a sphere and the majority of the ash cloud could very well have, and in all likelihood were carried east and north by winds towards Akavir. Also, merely because you/we haven't heard much about the ramifications of red year on Tamriel as a continent, means very little. We rarely hear anything regarding the events of The Infernal City or Lord of Souls, because the latest scar on the minds of the peoples of Tamriel is the great war.

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Don't get me wrong, I agree, I just believe the state of the House system and the hierarchy of Morrowinds government is more conclusive than the state of the Dunmer people.

As I stated earlier, there's really not enough information in Skyrim to say whether the Houses are in good shape or not. However, I have to say, we've also been given no information on specifically how devastating red year was, or whether or not ES volcanoes behave the same way as real life volcanoes. If they do, sure, it couldn't have possibly been THAT severe. And I'm not arguing they don't, but....who said they do? You can say "I have no reason to believe they don't." and I can say the opposite.

Destroying the Telvanni was just a totally dikeish thing by the TES storywriters.

The Hlaalu, and Dres deserved it so much more. We just were given that knowledge of the Telvanni. Which, is understandable; as they were the absolutely coolest House.

The ash cloud could have been carried toward Akavir, but 'all likelihood' is going too far. Is there any reason to believe that the predominant winds have changed since the time of Sun's Death? I do not see any. If the eruption was as extreme as you claim, then the ash cloud would have extended over the rest of Tamriel. But even were the winds to carry the ash away, an eruption of the magnitude you seem to indicate could very well have caused transient climatic shift on a worldwide scale; I believe there have been examples of this IRL. A mini ice age, I suppose you would call it.

I don't expect people in Skyrim to talk about the effects of Red Year (except the Dunmer). But I don't remember seeing any reference to such drastic effects after Red Year even in Keyes' works (although I have not read LoS). This isn't conclusive, I agree, but it is indicative.


http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nirnroot-missive gives some indication on the nature of the effects of Red Mountain's eruptions.

I think if you don't mind me saying so that you are being speculative for the sake of being speculative. I was merely trying to dissuade your disbelief at the lack of evidence of damage caused by the eruption of a super-massive volcano.

People in The Infernal City and Lord of Souls also have a lot more going on currently than taking the time to discuss a few cold years after the red year.

I agree that Telvanni was the most interesting House and that Dres deserved what was coming to them however, Hlaalu didn't deserve anything, they were loyal servants of the empire. They backstabbed their own people, sure, but none the less loyal servants of the Empire. Although I do recall reading somewhere that Hlaalu and Dres 'merged' their houses in which case you are entirely correct that they both deserved it.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Orvas_Dren

Anyway, all of this was discussed in several topics before, but it is very unlikely that Morrowind suffered as badly as people say. From what we hear in game we can conclude the following:

Parts of House Telvanni have been destroyed
House Telvanni itself is still around
House Redoran is around (see assassination mission)
The Morag Tong pretty much stopped existing after the Red Year, but several members survived and agreed to come back at a later date.
Argonians were not out to conquer Morrowind, nor to kill all Dunmer
Mournhold is the southern most city which is certain to still be in relatively good condition. The other cities on the mainland are all really unknown.
Argonians can still live in Morrowind, as a Argonian family of farmers lives just over the border near Blacklight.
A thief stole Barenziah her crown (unrelated, but still kinda cool)

That's about all I can come up with. You can draw your own conclusions from that, but I personally feel it very unlikely that Morrowind is completely gone. Considering that House Redoran is around I'd wager that other houses are still around as well, Vvardenfell seems to be pretty much the same from what you can tell in Skyrim. Considering the terrain in Morrowind I'd find it rather unlikely for the Argonians to hold anything but the southern most lands of Morrowind that directly connect to the Black Marsh, and I seriously doubt they would want any other part of the land anyway.

Its believed most of the Telvanni wizard lords teleported to safety and most of the upper class are still around, in hiding or fell into the common classes among the few remaining cities in Morrowind. We do know that various settlements are still in Morrowind though dialogues and sound files in Skyrim as well as Redoran territory being reoccupied due to blacklight being on the East Empire trading map in the warehouse and since the red year happened over about 200 years its believed most of the damaged land from the eruption is under going change back to its normal self as what usually happens when a volcano erupts thus the surrounding areas will become habitable one day and could in fact be used to repopulate the dwindling dunmer population as well as unite Morrowind again. As for a political system we currently have no idea on the mainland Morrowind but Solsthiem became part of Morrowind again and even has a royal family but i'm not sure if they have any real control over Morrowind.

Why do the Dres "deserve" it? Argonians kind of started it when they killed all the humans and elves of Argonia. Even the border of Argonia in Oblivion is expanded into Dres territory. Seems to be a mutual hatred of the other and the Dres just know how to profit off of it better.


Edit: Any confirmation on the Morag Tong stuff?